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Trading Gobert makes no sense. He is what makes the Jazz uniquely special.

Mitchell is an amazing guard, but so is Steph, Klay, Dame, Luka, Booker, Trey, Fox, Irving, Harden, LaMelo, Beal, Murray, Gilgeous-Alexander, and Morant. Don is better than some of those, worse than others, but not unique. I love him, glad he is on our team and think he is essential to winning, but not by himself. Ask Dame about that.

There are very few players that actually change the game like Rudy. The problem here is not Gobert, it is that the Jazz failed to put the right players around him. Gobert and O’Neale are the only above average defensive players in the rotation and that was good enough to be a top 3 defense in the league. That is insane! The Lakers and 76ers were the other top defensive teams. Think of how many above-average defenders each of those teams have.

Gobert has not been exposed in the playoffs, his teammates have. The fact is there isn’t a secondary rebounder or rim protector, and no one can stay in front of their man on the perimeter. Gobert looks exposed at times only because he is guarding the entire court. He could easily hang out in the corner and guard Batum or Mann, but he doesn’t have that luxury because no one else on the floor can help guard the paint.

Imagine Gobert playing with 2 or 3 other above average defenders who were not liabilities on offense and a point guard that could consistently deliver the him the ball on offense.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I say trade Rudy and build around Donovan. Rudy has been exposed and small ball is now the way to go. If Rudy could stop creating and causing so many turnovers, we would've won this series by now. But he is just so inept offensively that he hurts the team and stops momentum. The question is what can we get for Rudy.
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What does this even mean? I’ve seen it written a few times and I wonder what it actually means? The rockets “built around harden” end still couldn’t sniff the title. Do we think we can build a better small ball system and roster than the rockets had with cp3, Harden, and Deantoni?
 
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The Thriller said:
What does this even mean? I’ve seen it written a few times and I wonder what it actually means? The rockets “built around harden” end still couldn’t sniff the title. Do we think we can build a better system and roster than the rockets had with cp3, Harden, and Deantoni?
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Makes you realize how difficult it is to win a title. Just about everything needs to go right unless you have a super team / generational talent like a Duncam, Kobe, Lebron, or Curry.

The stars aligned for the raptors a few years ago. Do people really think they beat a warriors team with a healthy Durant and Klay? No chance
 
Ujfanatic said:
Trading Gobert makes no sense. He is what makes the Jazz uniquely special.

Mitchell is an amazing guard, but so is Steph, Klay, Dame, Luka, Booker, Trey, Fox, Irving, Harden, LaMelo, Beal, Murray, Gilgeous-Alexander, and Morant. Don is better than some of those, worse than others, but not unique. I love him, glad he is on our team and think he is essential to winning, but not by himself. Ask Dame about that.

There are very few players that actually change the game like Rudy. The problem here is not Gobert, it is that the Jazz failed to put the right players around him. Gobert and O’Neale are the only above average defensive players in the rotation and that was good enough to be a top 3 defense in the league. That is insane! The Lakers and 76ers were the other top defensive teams. Think of how many above-average defenders each of those teams have.

Gobert has not been exposed in the playoffs, his teammates have. The fact is there isn’t a secondary rebounder or rim protector, and no one can stay in front of their man on the perimeter. Gobert looks exposed at times only because he is guarding the entire court. He could easily hang out in the corner and guard Batum or Mann, but he doesn’t have that luxury because no one else on the floor can help guard the paint.

Imagine Gobert playing with 2 or 3 other above average defenders who were not liabilities on offense and a point guard that could consistently deliver the him the ball on offense.
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When was the last time you saw a team win a title built around a center who can't make his own offense? Never.

The truth of the matter is - you don't build around offensively limited centers. In many ways, you don't build around centers at all. It doesn't lead to titles anymore. Outside of Shaq, Tim Duncan (who was a center), Kareem and Hakeem, there hasn't been a team built around a center which has won a title in the last 40 years.

If you think Rudy is in the same zip code as those guys....

And who says Don isn't a generational talent? He has accomplished more in his 1st 4 years than almost any player in NBA history. Go look it up. What he has accomplished to this point is staggering.

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Ujfanatic said:
Trading Gobert makes no sense. He is what makes the Jazz uniquely special.

Mitchell is an amazing guard, but so is Steph, Klay, Dame, Luka, Booker, Trey, Fox, Irving, Harden, LaMelo, Beal, Murray, Gilgeous-Alexander, and Morant. Don is better than some of those, worse than others, but not unique. I love him, glad he is on our team and think he is essential to winning, but not by himself. Ask Dame about that.

There are very few players that actually change the game like Rudy. The problem here is not Gobert, it is that the Jazz failed to put the right players around him. Gobert and O’Neale are the only above average defensive players in the rotation and that was good enough to be a top 3 defense in the league. That is insane! The Lakers and 76ers were the other top defensive teams. Think of how many above-average defenders each of those teams have.

Gobert has not been exposed in the playoffs, his teammates have. The fact is there isn’t a secondary rebounder or rim protector, and no one can stay in front of their man on the perimeter. Gobert looks exposed at times only because he is guarding the entire court. He could easily hang out in the corner and guard Batum or Mann, but he doesn’t have that luxury because no one else on the floor can help guard the paint.

Imagine Gobert playing with 2 or 3 other above average defenders who were not liabilities on offense and a point guard that could consistently deliver the him the ball on offense.
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Helluva post.

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Ujfanatic said:
Trading Gobert makes no sense. He is what makes the Jazz uniquely special.

Mitchell is an amazing guard, but so is Steph, Klay, Dame, Luka, Booker, Trey, Fox, Irving, Harden, LaMelo, Beal, Murray, Gilgeous-Alexander, and Morant. Don is better than some of those, worse than others, but not unique. I love him, glad he is on our team and think he is essential to winning, but not by himself. Ask Dame about that.

There are very few players that actually change the game like Rudy. The problem here is not Gobert, it is that the Jazz failed to put the right players around him. Gobert and O’Neale are the only above average defensive players in the rotation and that was good enough to be a top 3 defense in the league. That is insane! The Lakers and 76ers were the other top defensive teams. Think of how many above-average defenders each of those teams have.

Gobert has not been exposed in the playoffs, his teammates have. The fact is there isn’t a secondary rebounder or rim protector, and no one can stay in front of their man on the perimeter. Gobert looks exposed at times only because he is guarding the entire court. He could easily hang out in the corner and guard Batum or Mann, but he doesn’t have that luxury because no one else on the floor can help guard the paint.

Imagine Gobert playing with 2 or 3 other above average defenders who were not liabilities on offense and a point guard that could consistently deliver the him the ball on offense.
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I'm not saying we should trade Rudy but here's the deal... the further you get in the playoffs the more star players limitations become an issue. We see it with Giannis, Ben Simmons, and Rudy is not immune here. We can't always look at him not being his best and say its his teammates.

Why have we surrounded Rudy with such offense heavy guys? Because that is what it takes to make this team an offensive juggernaut while playing an effective, yet extremely limited offensive player. Finding a guy that shoots like Bojan but is also a really good defender is like super hard to do... you are talking about a Paul George light type of player. Finding a 4 that shoots and provides rim protection? Good ****ing luck... Denver been looking for that dude for a while.

So if you imagine Rudy with those type of defenders also imagine the other side of the ball and having guys like Covington or Tucker instead of Bojan. Are we still a top 3-5 offense?

I love Rudy... he's great... if we trade him we get worse... but lets please not put his limitations as problems with the other guys. Limitations get a microscope the further you go in the playoffs... those limitations are Rudy's and the rest of the guys to carry. Can you build a contender with those limitations? I think so... but its hard to find the right mix of player and we now have some roster flexibility issues.
 
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