Jazz Offseason Plan

[LoPo]

I'm not saying we should trade Rudy but here's the deal... the further you get in the playoffs the more star players limitations become an issue. We see it with Giannis, Ben Simmons, and Rudy is not immune here. We can't always look at him not being his best and say its his teammates.

Why have we surrounded Rudy with such offense heavy guys? Because that is what it takes to make this team an offensive juggernaut while playing an effective, yet extremely limited offensive player. Finding a guy that shoots like Bojan but is also a really good defender is like super hard to do... you are talking about a Paul George light type of player. Finding a 4 that shoots and provides rim protection? Good ****ing luck... Denver been looking for that dude for a while.

So if you imagine Rudy with those type of defenders also imagine the other side of the ball and having guys like Covington or Tucker instead of Bojan. Are we still a top 3-5 offense?

I love Rudy... he's great... if we trade him we get worse... but lets please not put his limitations as problems with the other guys. Limitations get a microscope the further you go in the playoffs... those limitations are Rudy's and the rest of the guys to carry. Can you build a contender with those limitations? I think so... but its hard to find the right mix of player and we now have some roster flexibility issues.

Great post.

We are more relevant because of Rudy positioning us well after the regular season, but Rudy can't lead us to a title without an ton of very specified help that we can't afford.

If we don't win this series and if Conley leaves or demands too much money, we have to consider a 3 year plan which begins with a Rudy trade. Rudy without Mike doesn't work in the postseason.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If we don't win this series and if Conley leaves or demands too much money, we have to consider a 3 year plan which begins with a Rudy trade. Rudy without Mike doesn't work in the postseason.

Pump the brakes, dude. Jazz without Rudy probably don't make the playoffs, and that's not going to help the Donovan situation a damn bit.

I'm not absolutely married to keeping Gobert, but they have to find the right trade and that isn't going to be easy since his value elsewhere is almost certainly not as high as it is here.

 

[416Klawzz]

First off season move is to fire DL

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Pump the brakes, dude. Jazz without Rudy probably don't make the playoffs, and that's not going to help the Donovan situation a damn bit.

I'm not absolutely married to keeping Gobert, but they have to find the right trade and that isn't going to be easy since his value elsewhere is almost certainly not as high as it is here.

that's the challenge imo... you won't get 100% current value... you ideally get 75-80% current value in a guy that is a little younger and a lotto scratcher that you might hit big on... so a young player that could blow up or a first/future first with big potential.

I don't think that we'd get what we need but I also didn't think Orlando would get half the **** they did for Vucevic. It would almost certainly have to be a three team deal because teams don't trade one good player for another good player very often.

 

[LoPo]

Pump the brakes, dude. Jazz without Rudy probably don't make the playoffs, and that's not going to help the Donovan situation a damn bit.

I'm not absolutely married to keeping Gobert, but they have to find the right trade and that isn't going to be easy since his value elsewhere is almost certainly not as high as it is here.

If Conley walks, we don't have any money or assets to replace Conley with another high end facilitating PG. We won't even get a Rubio quality PG to play with Rudy. And what sign have you seen that shows you that Rudy fits in a Don led offense? They simply don't work well together offensively. It's kind of sad actually. It might get better, but they aren't on the same page. At all.

And as for the "we don't make the playoffs without Rudy" narrative. I just don't see that. Just because we do everything to revolve around Rudy doesn't mean that we couldn't win another way. And it's not like I'm proposing we cut Rudy. We would clearly trade him for value elsewhere on the roster.

 

[NAOS]

Trading Rudy is a catch 22... on one hand if Don looks around in a couple years and Rudy isn't aging well then he may want to bounce... if you trade Rudy and get younger you almost certainly take a step back and it may frustrate Don after a couple years and he looks to leave.

If you do trade Rudy you have to balance being good now and getting younger and having a higher trajectory. I don't see how you do that. I think the bed might be made here. The best chance (but not a high probability) is to run it back and hope for a small miracle. End up rebuilding in 2-3 years when Don requests a trade. Hopefully we get it right this time.

Smaller or larger than the miracle of: (a) drawing the grizz in round one, (b) having Kawhi drop out of the second round, (c) having CP entering Covid protocols, and (d) looking at a dinged up Nets team in the East?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Smaller or larger than the miracle of: (a) drawing the grizz in round one, (b) having Kawhi drop out of the second round, (c) having CP entering Covid protocols, and (d) looking at a dinged up Nets team in the East?

I was thinking a miracle like drafting a Lu Dort type or getting a young guy on a minimum that has sucked then he finally figures **** out.

We will never have this big of an open opportunity. There is a ****ing chance the Hawks and Suns play in the finals...

 

[NUMBERICA]

I was thinking a miracle like drafting a Lu Dort type or getting a young guy on a minimum that has sucked then he finally figures **** out.

We will never have this big of an open opportunity. There is a ****ing chance the Hawks and Suns play in the finals...

Never.

 

[cowhide]

Pump the brakes, dude. Jazz without Rudy probably don't make the playoffs, and that's not going to help the Donovan situation a damn bit.

I'm not absolutely married to keeping Gobert, but they have to find the right trade and that isn't going to be easy since his value elsewhere is almost certainly not as high as it is here.

If Wilt and Kareem can get traded so can Rudy. Rudy had a decent game 5 but not an all-star type game. The defense in this series for the Jazz has been terrible. No one could stop the Clippers in game 5 because they were making 3pts and beating our guys off the dribble. Yes the team would be worse defensively but perhaps you could get back a decent Center for Rudy as well as another piece. The Hawks might be interested or the Knicks or Kings or OKC. You have to get a decent big back and a young guy who fits DM window plus some picks. I am not advocating trading Rudy unless the deal is too good to pass up which I don't think will happen considering Rudy extension kicks in and his lack of offensive skills.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If... Kareem can get traded so can Rudy.

And how did that turn out.

 

[cowhide]

And how did that turn out.

About as good as when a team holds on to a player too long. Bucks still had some decent teams but no championships. Kareem wanted out so it was a little different because the Bucks had to do the trade.

 

[NUMBERICA]

About as good as when a team holds on to a player too long. Bucks still had some decent teams but no championships. Kareem wanted out so it was a little different because the Bucks had to do the trade.

And the Jazz don't.

Based on your post(s), I'm not sure you read my post. I am simply saying the trade has to be right and that will be difficult to find. But trading him to trade him would be complete and utter ***.