Jazz Offseason Plan

[LoPo]

I feel like reading comprehension isn't really your thing.

I feel that Donovan Mitchell is better than Booker. I never said in a landslide, but I think he's better.

Phoenix has been building a respectable roster, then they went and added 3 very good playoff performers this offseason. Phoenix went from top of the lottery to maybe top of the league. I'm not giving Booker a bunch of credit for that. The Phoenix GM went and added very direct plugs to fill very clear Phoenix weaknesses.

Our GM didn't do that. He still rolled into the season with only 1 (ONLY F-ING 1) perimeter defender on the entire team. We were regular season tough, not playoff tough. We are not built to compete in the playoffs. HH and many others and I have been saying it for years. An NBA GM is so important. Booker is a chucker who is so nicely surrounded now. DM is a star who doesn't have the type help necessary for the playoffs.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Actually, people on this forum are picking up pretty much every NBA player under 6'5" and saying they are better than Don. Dame, Booker, FVV, I'm sure Chris Paul is next. Then we'll eventually get to Kyrie. Hell, maybe even Patty Mills too.

I'm so tired of the Don hate. No wonder he might want to leave sooner rather than later. Jazz fans are morons.

Dame and Chris Paul are undeniably better than Donovan.

Kyrie is more of a debate.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Mitchell is great, but this past year was his first advanced efficient scoring year that helped put him in the discussion with other top scoring guards. He's still not there yet though to surpass the established vets.

It's funny that Lopo, the guy who literally only post when the Jazz lose and wants to cry about losing Grayson Allen and Jae Crowder to get Mike Conley, is complaining about haters.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Says the same guy who said that Conley was "way, way" better than Jrue Holiday.

You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Conley was/is way better. Who made the All-Star team this year in the crowded West? Who was the best on/off player in the NBA?

Plus Jrue's defense has dropped off a good deal and he's shooting 29% from 3 for the playoffs. But keep hating on Conley and capping for other players because you're so ****ing set on proving the Conley trade was bad.

 

[LoPo]

It's funny that Lopo, the guy who literally only post when the Jazz lose and wants to cry about losing Grayson Allen and Jae Crowder to get Mike Conley, is complaining about haters.

And two first round draft picks and $70 million of our cap space.

You always seem to forget that part....

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Why did this thread turn into the Dame/Don/Booker debate?

I thought this thread was for whining about the FO’s overly cautious and depressing plan for the offseason.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lopo is honestly the most pathetic person on here.

Conley has put up two amazing playoffs series for the Jazz, but the dude will nitpick the **** out of them.

Jrue Holiday is having an awful post-season, but he wants to big up HOliday to put him on a pedestal over COnley, just to prove his little bitch *** point.

You dont know basketball in the slightest. You just want to be right so badly to the point that you quit posting because Conley and the Jazz were playing so well.

 

[LoPo]

Conley was/is way better. Who made the All-Star team this year in the crowded West? Who was the best on/off player in the NBA?

Plus Jrue's defense has dropped off a good deal and he's shooting 29% from 3 for the playoffs. But keep hating on Conley and capping for other players because you're so ****ing set on proving the Conley trade was bad.

I'm not set on proving the Conley trade was bad. That argument is over. If it ends here with Conley leaving, the Conley trade was very bad. It's not the worst trade in team history bad like I said at one point, but it's a failure for sure.

Conley made the All Star team as a deep alternate. And he was already set for the 3 point competition. The team's success got Conley that last spot. Jrue's defense, though has declined slightly, is still better than Conley's and shows up every night. Conley had some good stats last year, but our stats were crazy good for almost everybody. What happened in the playoffs?

 

[campaignist]

That’s not even the debate have you been reading at all? It’s Donovan vs Booker.

Losing Conley and trading Donovan for Lillard makes us worse. That is a guarantee.

No, some people are in fact saying Mitchell is better than Lilliard, have *you* been reading? Not that we shouldn’t hypothetically trade DM for Dame, but that DM is a better player right now. And the original argument wasn’t about if Booker or Mitchell was better, just that they’re on a comparable level, which some people can’t handle admitting is true.

 

[Mongoose]

It’s not just chip or failure imo. It’s give yourself the best chance at a chip or failure. In athletics it’s like playing your best game and getting beat… that isn’t necessarily failure imo. Showing up and being unprepared or not giving your best effort is failure . We had a lot of chances to improve. We didn’t make good moves around the edges this year… there were easy moves to make… we essentially hit a few step back threes and blew a couple layups.

For those overly positive on the job the front office did… the head honcho got the axe. Not that owners always get it right but Ryan doesn’t share your same outlook. Many of the front office members were apparently divided in some of the decisions we did. Not many number 1 seeds fire their GM. We can be highly critical of the front office moves this last year even though the got some things right in the past… you can say that M Night Shamyalan is a ****** film maker… even though Sixth Sense is awesome. That’s the movie that gets him the ability to make more movies… but keep ****ing up and eventually we take away the keys.

DL royally screwed up the stuff around the edges last offseason. Sorry if that isn’t pie in the sky positive… I see how awesome we were and know we could have been so much better too. It’s been a pattern that we are routinely lacking something we should already have and address it a season too late.

It's ****ing insane how much DL has been skipping steps with his PG rentals. The jazz have the audacity to comparing themselves to following the Spurs model of success to then Warriors model to the Raptors to next year the Suns or Bucks... The Jazz have had every major ingredient you'd want for years, but they keep ****ing it up. Unfortunately acquiring Conley was a major **** up- that depleted way too many resources. He kept digging the jazz into a hole this year by screwing up around the edges and going over the cap- was the dude just cashing it in? wtf?

 

[campaignist]

Why did this thread turn into the Dame/Don/Booker debate?

I thought this thread was for whining about the FO’s overly cautious and depressing plan for the offseason.

Because when I argued for a Mitchell for Lilliard trade, I purposely added the part about Mitchell and Booker being comparable, because I wanted to watch people freak the **** out. It worked marvelously.

 

[LoPo]

Lopo is honestly the most pathetic person on here.

Conley has put up two amazing playoffs series for the Jazz, but the dude will nitpick the **** out of them.

Jrue Holiday is having an awful post-season, but he wants to big up HOliday to put him on a pedestal over COnley, just to prove his little bitch *** point.

You dont know basketball in the slightest. You just want to be right so badly to the point that you quit posting because Conley and the Jazz were playing so well.

Keep taking your shots Cy.

We were 1-1 without Conley last postseason. 2-3 with him.
Our record when Conley plays the last two postseasons - 6-5.
This postseason, we lost Round 1 Game 1 when Don sat and Conley had a chance at home to lead us.
Take away our series as the 1 seed vs the 8 seed, we are 2-4 when he plays in the series that we lost.
Oh, and he missed 7 games due to injury in those two series.
That's not good. Actually, that's pretty bad. We were 3-4 in the playoff series we lost without Conley and 2-4 with him. I would rather have him than not, but just like the regular season, we actually win more without Conley than with him.

Jrue Holiday is one of the main reasons the Bucks made the finals even though they lost an MVP calibur player. Great example of some stats being overrated.

I prove to you all the time that I know as much about basketball as you do.