Jazz Offseason Plan

[NUMBERICA]

We will never get near equal value for Rudy. And while his impact can be lessened in a playoff series he is still very important to our team. The backup C minutes should be enough to convince anyone of that. But I guess not.

Rudy’s limitations are exactly why it would make sense to have the C depth be more perimeter-oriented because the Jazz have no ****ing versatility. It’s just:
-put big man in paint
-hit as many threes as you can shoot
-sometimes pass inside

It’s not a winning formula in the playoffs at all. If you’re not gonna have the best top-end talent then you sure as **** better have versatility on your roster.

To answer the more general question of the thread; last off-season was the last chance to do anything substantial and the Jazz used their two best assets to grab two low-skill centers and giving the entire bag to their best low-skill center. The Jazz have almost no chance at even a diamond in the rough because they pissed away all of their 2nds, too. Homers laughed at the criticisms while the Jazz thumped teams reeling from a compressed regular season but this **** was always real, was always a problem, and now we are directly facing the consequences.

The upshot to this is I can spend less of my summer(s) figuring out what the Jazz can do to improve the roster.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Rudy’s limitations are exactly why it would make sense to have the C depth be more perimeter-oriented because the Jazz have no ****ing versatility. It’s just:
-put big man in paint
-hit as many threes as you can shoot
-sometimes pass inside

It’s not a winning formula in the playoffs at all. If you’re not gonna have the best top-end talent then you sure as **** better have versatility on your roster.

To answer the more general question of the thread; last off-season was the last chance to do anything substantial and the Jazz used their two best assets to grab two low-skill centers and giving the entire bag to their best low-skill center. The Jazz have almost no chance at even a diamond in the rough because they pissed away all of their 2nds, too. Homers laughed at the criticisms while the Jazz thumped teams reeling from a compressed regular season but this **** was always real, was always a problem, and now we are directly facing the consequences.

The upshot to this is I can spend less of my summer(s) figuring out what the Jazz can do to improve the roster.

DL should be fired, and then trades giving up valuable pieces will have to be made this offseason. We have skilled offensive players that can help teams and should have trade value. We just went too all-in on too many players with the same skillsets.

If this isn’t the offseason with the most changes in the last few years, I will be surprised. I expect tumult. If there is no tumult, we’re doing it wrong. Our one-dimensional core is aging out, but still has some trade value.

 

[NUMBERICA]

DL should be fired, and then trades giving up valuable pieces will have to be made this offseason.

If this isn’t the offseason with the most changes in the last few years, I will be surprised.

I’ll tell you what’s gonna happen:
-The Jazz will try to re-sign Conley but they have a number they say no to.
-Either Conley walks, or the Jazz end up trading Favors, Bogey, or Clarkson for little or no returning salary and no returning assets (they might have to send assets, they just don’t have any).
-in whatever iteration, the Jazz will add nothing of value and will lose something(s) of value.

This absolutely is/was the year. I doubt the franchise will ever have a more open-path for as long as I live.

 

[LoPo]

We will never get near equal value for Rudy. And while his impact can be lessened in a playoff series he is still very important to our team. The backup C minutes should be enough to convince anyone of that. But I guess not.

Well our backup C minutes are going to another center with zero offensive ability. If our backup center was somebody like Batum, we would have some sort of sample to evaluate what all our shooters would look like surrounded by a 5th shooter instead of a space filler.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

I’ll tell you what’s gonna happen:
-The Jazz will try to re-sign Conley but they have a number they say no to.
-Either Conley walks, or the Jazz end up trading Favors, Bogey, or Clarkson for little or no returning salary and no returning assets (they might have to send assets, they just don’t have any).
-in whatever iteration, the Jazz will add nothing of value and will lose something(s) of value.

This absolutely is/was the year. I doubt the franchise will ever have a more open-path for as long as I live.

If this is what happens, we’re on a downward slide for the next few years and Don is a Knick in a few years.

It being the case that we are bound to get worse or enter cap hell with a non-contending core, I think we should embrace getting worse and try to move our aging players this offseason for younger players and try to get more on Don’s timeline. Try to start the reload now so it’s not a complete rebuild in 3-4 years.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If this is what happens, we’re on a downward slide for the next few years and Don is a Knick in a few years.

It being the case that we are bound to get worse or enter cap hell with a non-contending core, I think we should embrace getting worse and try to move our aging players this offseason for younger players and try to get more on Don’s timeline.

Our aging players don’t have substantial positive trade value at their age and contract statuses. The Jazz are straight stuck.

The best-case scenario is that the Jazz keep Mike at a reasonable number and the Jazz are able to offload Favors without sending assets. Maybe they find another Royce or Ingles in the scrap heap and they can play in a couple of years.

 

[LoPo]

At the trade deadline, Chicago traded decent young center Wendell Carter Jr. and two 1st round picks for Vucevic. I guarantee you some team would trade something substantial for Rudy who has much more trade value.

Is it Charlotte who throws a ton at us? Boston? Indiana? New Orleans? Sacramento? Another?

Rudy's trade value is at it's absolute highest. In a few years, we will be cussing his $45 million annual salary. If Don and Rudy need a split, the time to trade Rudy is this summer. We don't want to do it, but it just makes sense.

The only other idea is if we somehow get some great player fit like Jerami Grant by trading Bojan and Clarkson. Then we re-sign Conley.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Our aging players don’t have substantial positive trade value at their age and contract statuses. The Jazz are straight stuck.

The best-case scenario is that the Jazz keep Mike at a reasonable number and the Jazz are able to offload Favors without sending assets. Maybe they find another Royce or Ingles in the scrap heap and they can play in a couple of years.

Not substantial, but they have some trade value. We could get something good for Bogey and/or Clarkson.

Yeah, I know we likely get worse in the short term.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Im not on the trade Rudy train. If he didn’t have to do 80% of the lifting on defense and rebounding, he’d be just fine.

This is the biggest issue. Clippers are going all wings, and Gobert can’t guard both the perimeter and the paint because no one can stay in front of their man. Clippers small ball has exposed this. The only problem is we can’t address this in free agency because we are over the cap, and getting rid of Conley I think won’t help this. I’m just not sure how we put the right Players around him. Guys who can defend and hit the three ball at a high rate. Late in the fourth I thought the jazz needed to sit Gobert and bring in JC. Clippers made shots because they were in rhythm offensively because Gobert can’t be everywhere at once. Clippers got wide open shots specifically because of this.

 

[416Klawzz]

Fire DL, get Smith and Wade to be more active. Consult with DM get it done

 

[l Abach l]

I'll never understand the FO going all in on older, unathletic players vs. aligning with Donovan's timeline in pairing him with younger, longer, more athletic wings. It makes no ****ing sense. Now we're stuck between a rock and a hard place in that our older players don't have tradeable value.

If DL isn't canned this offseason.... how do you squander away the past 4 seasons after seeing Donovan's rookie year?!

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Rudy's trade value is at it's absolute highest. In a few years, we will be cussing his $45 million annual salary. If Don and Rudy need a split, the time to trade Rudy is this summer. We don't want to do it, but it just makes sense.

I don’t think teams will be clamoring to give the jazz a haul like that for Gobert with that big contract specifically because he can’t get his own offense other than put backs.