Jazz Offseason Plan

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Fire DL, get Smith and Wade to be more active. Consult with DM get it done

WTF?! Sure, fire DL, but hand DL’s responsibilities to them, would not go well

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Well our backup C minutes are going to another center with zero offensive ability. If our backup center was somebody like Batum, we would have some sort of sample to evaluate what all our shooters would look like surrounded by a 5th shooter instead of a space filler.

I’m not saying there isn’t some version of a more versatile team featuring Don and without Rudy that is more successful in the postseason.

But we simply can’t make it happen. The team was built around Rudy. He has WAY less value anywhere else. So the number 1 asset you might flip, you are getting pennies on the dollar in terms of impact back in a trade. Gobert guarantees you a great regular season defense and is a huge floor raiser. Lose him and play-in game or missing the playoffs completely becomes a real possibility.

And beyond that. The asset cupboard is absolutely wiped clean. While I understand the desire. We are simply in no position to completely rebuild the roster that just got us the best record in the league. We don’t have the moves to make.

Let Ryan Smith spend a bonkers luxury tax bill by retaining Conley. And run it back hoping for better health luck. And make some roster improvements on the fringes. I don’t see any other viable options.

 

[homeytennis]

Not substantial, but they have some trade value. We could get something good for Bogey and/or Clarkson.

Yeah, I know we likely get worse in the short term.

Homey is going to go full Homey here. Let Conley, Niang, Oni, Morgan, Ersan, Matty Ice and Hughes go. To replace them: 1st round draft pick, resign Mudiay, look to what new coaches put on the waiver wire for former first round picks, sign the following Aussie players: Jock Landale, Jarell Martin (1st round pick of Memphis in 2015), John Mooney (a Jack Cooley with talent), Anthony Drmic (has played against the Jazz a couple of times in pre season), go and sign the best undrafted rookie players there are and tell Quin that he is going to give these guys a chance. Brantley and Forrest get to stay. At least they played hard when called upon.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'll never understand the FO going all in on older, unathletic players vs. aligning with Donovan's timeline in pairing him with younger, longer, more athletic wings. It makes no ****ing sense. Now we're stuck between a rock and a hard place in that our older players don't have tradeable value.

If DL isn't canned this offseason.... how do you squander away the past 4 seasons after seeing Donovan's rookie year?!

I know Tobias Harris got a lot more than Bojan, but Harris is a better all-around player and about four years younger. That’s one thing.

Another thing is Malcolm Brogdon is basically the perfect backcourt mate for Mitchell and went for a rate that I refuse to believe the Jazz couldn’t have gotten him.

Conley and Bogey have been good. But the age thing was always a problem, not to mention Bogey’s bad D and passing and Mike’s size. And I get it, the Jazz got both of them whereas they probably only could’ve gotten one of Harris or Brogdon. But they also get to keep assets to build the team with and that’s important.

If the Jazz win it all (or get damn close) by going all-in on aging dudes, then it’s hard to argue against it. Anything less and it looks pretty damn short-sighted.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Lots of tough decisions to be made this offseason, and I pray it isn’t DL or Zanik making the decisions.

- the Brantley and Oni experiences need to be done. They are not NBA players. Replace them with literally any vet minimum players, or buy some second round picks and take another swing at finding an NBA player. I am ambivalent on what happens with Hughes and/or Forrest.
- get Doke some serious run in summer league. See what we have there.
- it’d be nice to find a way to get rid of Favors without giving anything up. Man, what were we thinking there.
- I don’t know what to do about Georges. He is a rotation player against most teams and is pretty cheap.
- field trade offers for everyone not named Mitchell, and if there is anything there that potentially makes us better in five years, do it. Some combination or one of Bogey, Clarkson, or Ingles needs to be turned into perimeter defense.
- do the obvious thing we should have done last year with Bane and draft Chris Duarte if he is there when we pick. Yes, he is older, but he is right on Don’s timeline.
- find a way to get Marcus Garrett from Kansas in the second round or as an undrafted guy. I promise he is a Thybulle. I PROMISE.

 

[l Abach l]

I know Tobias Harris got a lot more than Bojan, but Harris is a better all-around player and about four years younger. That’s one thing.

Another thing is Malcolm Brogdon is basically the perfect backcourt mate for Mitchell and went for a rate that I refuse to believe the Jazz couldn’t have gotten him.

Conley and Bogey have been good. But the age thing was always a problem, not to mention Bogey’s bad D and passing and Mike’s size. And I get it, the Jazz got both of them whereas they probably only could’ve gotten one of Harris or Brogdon. But they also get to keep assets to build the team with and that’s important.

If the Jazz win it all (or get damn close) by going all-in on aging dudes, then it’s hard to argue against it. Anything less and it looks pretty damn short-sighted.

I wanted both Brogdon and Harris... bummer

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Honestly, Rudy was meant to play with Trae Young. That is a perfect pair. The Hawks also have some wares we would like. I am not saying we should trade Rudy, but the Hawks as a trade partner make a **** ton of sense for both sides if it does happen.

We could get Capela, one of their other nice young pieces, and draft compensation out of it. I also wouldn’t hate doing something with Indiana for Brogdon and Sabonis.

Just some crazy ideas.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I wanted both Brogdon and Harris... bummer

I would’ve been happy with *either* + the assets (Crowder, Allen, two 1sts, four 2nds, etc). Both would’ve been insane (and if the Jazz hadn’t re-signed Exum then it was within the realm of possibility).

This game is fruitless. Also... maybe you coulda just got Jimmy Butler outright?

 

[l Abach l]

Wish our local media would actually ask hard hitting questions to Quinn and DL instead of underhand fluffballs. They're almost as soft as Rudy is

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Honestly, Rudy was meant to play with Trae Young. That is a perfect pair. The Hawks also have some wares we would like. I am not saying we should trade Rudy, but the Hawks as a trade partner make a **** ton of sense for both sides if it does happen.

We could get Capela, one of their other nice young pieces, and draft compensation out of it. I also wouldn’t hate doing something with Indiana for Brogdon and Sabonis.

Just some crazy ideas.

Capela, Hunter, Huerter would be awesome. And probably what Rudy is worth. Hawks hang up laughing though.

Trae and Rudy would be incredible together.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Rudy’s limitations are exactly why it would make sense to have the C depth be more perimeter-oriented because the Jazz have no ****ing versatility. It’s just:
-put big man in paint
-hit as many threes as you can shoot
-sometimes pass inside

It’s not a winning formula in the playoffs at all. If you’re not gonna have the best top-end talent then you sure as **** better have versatility on your roster.

To answer the more general question of the thread; last off-season was the last chance to do anything substantial and the Jazz used their two best assets to grab two low-skill centers and giving the entire bag to their best low-skill center. The Jazz have almost no chance at even a diamond in the rough because they pissed away all of their 2nds, too. Homers laughed at the criticisms while the Jazz thumped teams reeling from a compressed regular season but this **** was always real, was always a problem, and now we are directly facing the consequences.

The upshot to this is I can spend less of my summer(s) figuring out what the Jazz can do to improve the roster.

So much this... if you must fail... fail in a different way. Give the bag to Jamychal Green to come in and be the backup 5 and make Quin figure it out during the regular season. He'd at least allow you to go big and small... gives some versatility.

You could also take a moonshot at Boucher... the shot looks janky but if he can protect the rim and shoot then that changes things right.

Hell you could use the MLE on a perimeter player (guard or wing) and say we will have a minimum player as a backup... Frank the Tank or Alex Len are totally gettable examples... i mean you did just draft a center so it buys you a year to get him ready.

Hell go get Favs... give him 3 years even... but he has to take $2m less per year so we can avoid the tax and the repeater effect in the future... maybe he negotiates full mle but only two years... maybe he walks... any of those options are much much better.

DL is sloppy and he's conservative... nailed a couple picks obvi but drafting is as much luck as it is skill... he's showed with the though processes behind his other picks that he may just have had a little drafting luck.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wish our local media would actually ask hard hitting questions to Quinn and DL instead of underhand fluffballs. They're almost as soft as Rudy is

I mean DL would have to do media to get asked a tough question... only does media these days when his character is attacked.