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jom2003 said:
Google Wade Baldwin.

First round pick gets moved before the end of rookie contract all the time.

Plus we're wasting money on backup center regardless. Doesn't matter if it's Favs or Doke.

Cuz teams can just sign cheap backup center to min deal whenever. Even the lowly Kings got Hassan Whiteside and kept him on the bench all season.
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Wouldn’t we want want to keep doke then? He’s younger and cheaper than favors.
 
The Thriller said:
Wouldn’t we want want to keep doke then? He’s younger and cheaper than favors.
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Cuz the way the rookie deal is scaled, Doke will earn more each year. His third and fourth year will worth well over 3mil. Hassan's one year deal with the Kings is only about 2.5mil by comparison, which is why DL paid to get Bradley's contract off the book.
 
jom2003 said:
Cuz the way the rookie deal is scaled, Doke will earn more each year. His third and fourth year will worth well over 3mil. Hassan's one year deal with the Kings is only about 2.5mil by comparison, which is why DL paid to get Bradley's contract off the book.
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How much is favors making per year?
 
I'm still sad the rockets got Christian wood for Trevor Ariza, a 1st, a 2nd, and cash. He would be an excellent fit for us
 
jom2003 said:
that's why i said we overpaid for them both, not trying to argue who's overpaid more. i'd say they both should go.
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You don't just dump a rookie salary before you even know what you have in that player. Only way you move Udoka is if another team values him enough that you can package him with #30 to move up into the teens in the draft.

Dump Favors salary. Play Udoka as your backup traditional C. Bring in someone who can play as a small ball 5. Those are the only moves involving the Center position that need to be made this offseason.
 
That1UtahFan said:
You don't just dump a rookie salary before you even know what you have in that player. Only way you move Udoka is if another team values him enough that you can package him with #30 to move up into the teens in the draft.

Dump Favors salary. Play Udoka as your backup traditional C. Bring in someone who can play as a small ball 5. Those are the only moves involving the Center position that need to be made this offseason.
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Rookie salary gets dumped all the time, especially when you are on the brink of paying the LT. Dumping Favs contract is better but tougher to execute because you don't just get rid of your fan favorite/loyal service to the franchise for nearly 10 years. And as underwhelming as Favs contract stands, you will have to throw in picks to make it happen also, which would make the team look really bad.

Also, as a playoff team you don't play a rookie with concerning injuries as your backup center just to find out what you have. Why play a rookie who has the chance of maybe one day becoming a decent backup center when you can just go sign a known commodity such as Whiteside or Alex Len. Cheaper and better player. Same argument as Torrey Craig and Oni.

If Doke is Greg Oden or Darko Milicic type of talent, I might’ve agreed. But he is a consensus 2nd round talent taken in the 1st round by surprise. His ceiling is just some backup center in this league that is easily replaceable, that's if he's lucky not to get hurt again or go down the wrong path on his development like Mo Bamba. Teams just don't stick with guys like that for the sake of “seeing what they have”, surely not one trying to compete and win now. Just go grab a proven vet right away.
 
So Zach Collins just broke his foot again. I'm going to go ahead and say that if DJJ opt in that Portland would trade him for Favs in a heartbeat. Id do it. DJJ is likely a guy that has eternal potential and never realizes most of it. He must have been 16 when he came in the league. He takes the Niang role... maybe some things click. We can use Udoka or find a cheap shooting 5 and play 5 out. Worst case he has value as an expiring deal at the trade deadline.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So Zach Collins just broke his foot again. I'm going to go ahead and say that if DJJ opt in that Portland would trade him for Favs in a heartbeat. Id do it. DJJ is likely a guy that has eternal potential and never realizes most of it. He must have been 16 when he came in the league. He takes the Niang role... maybe some things click. We can use Udoka or find a cheap shooting 5 and play 5 out. Worst case he has value as an expiring deal at the trade deadline.
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I always confuse him for Derrick Williams.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So Zach Collins just broke his foot again. I'm going to go ahead and say that if DJJ opt in that Portland would trade him for Favs in a heartbeat. Id do it. DJJ is likely a guy that has eternal potential and never realizes most of it. He must have been 16 when he came in the league. He takes the Niang role... maybe some things click. We can use Udoka or find a cheap shooting 5 and play 5 out. Worst case he has value as an expiring deal at the trade deadline.
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Seems plausible. They have Nasir Little waiting in the wings to overtake DJJ minutes. DJJ only played 10 minutes in 2 playoffs games so it signals they arent super about him.

It definitely makes the Jazz worse overall, but he's got one less year on his contract. I'd probably do it.
 
infection said:
I always confuse him for Derrick Williams.
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He's an interesting defender. Gets some steals, blocks, deflections... good transition player. Just turned 24... shot has improved slowly but still not where you'd want it ideally. If he was a 40% 3P shooter he's likely a starter level player on the wing.
 
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