Jazz Offseason Plan

[LoPo]

This is like Hayward offseason-lite. Totally dependent on Conley’s decision to stay or not.

It’s like the Hayward offseason, because we are totally hamstrung and paralyzed until we know what Conley is doing, but it’s “lite,” because keeping or losing Conley isn’t on the same level as keeping or losing Hayward was in 2017.

I would be okay with either outcome, I just hope waiting around to see what Conley decides doesn’t cause us to miss out on a deal that would have made us better. Like, we may not be able to pull off a draft night deal that would make us better because we need to know what Conley is doing before we decide the type of player we’d need to move Bogey/Ingles/Clarkson for.

Exactly right. Conley has us by the balls. We can make the playoffs without him for sure, but we our title chances are weaker if we just lose him for nothing.

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[Ineptimusprime]

Exactly right. Conley has us by the balls. We can make the playoffs without him for sure, but we our title chances are weaker if we just lose him for nothing.

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Mike is Steve Ballmer grabbing balls.

We can be proactive like the guy on his right and try to get his hands off our balls (explore sign and trade options), or we can be like the guy on his left and just let it happen (wait and see what he decides).

We’re the guy on the left for sure.

 

[infection]

The other option is the go all the way the **** in. This is the dangerous option but it’s the option that gets us the youth and players we need...

What this looks like... Favs and a 2024 1st (unprotected... start with top 10 and negotiate down to close the deal) for Lu Dort and Kenrich Williams. Saves some money and gets you cheap athletic production and Lu is under team control... so if he develops into something more he’s restricted... we’d have some salary freeing up then. Add a pick swap in 2025 if that closes the deal. Presti has a thousand picks but he knows he needs to tank one more year. Lu has great value because he is so cheap and productive... something they don’t get the full benefit of because their cap space is only used as dumping grounds.

Getting vets will help but long term Donovan is looking around and no on is really on his timeline. Lu is... pray you nail the puck this year... then maybe you are in bizness.

I’d do this because our window is now (well, yesterday, really, but you know what I mean). We aren’t getting this close again in a while.

I did like the suggestion of bringing back Neto. Yes having an nba player available to play every night... even though some nights you don’t need him is fairly valuable.

Yeah. That makes sense. But you know what would have made even more sense? Not letting him leave so that you have the privilege of paying NWG more in the hopes that he develops into Neto.

 

[infection]

Mike is Steve Ballmer grabbing balls.

We can be proactive like the guy on his right and try to get his hands off our balls (explore sign and trade options), or we can be like the guy on his left and just let it happen (wait and see what he decides).

*Sam Cassell.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Overpaying to bring Mike back will probably involve a long deal at too much money. I envision something like 3 years and $20 per year. Ridiculous money.

We already have overpaid Favors. Overpaid Rudy. We really going to invest $70+ million a year on those 3?

I know Conley is a B asset, but I would take two C assets for him that are younger.



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As it relates to Conley I really don’t worry about what I paid to Favs or Rudy... those are sunk costs.

I just think a return of Kuzma or Josh Richardson is pretty modest. I think that’s what you’d end up with... and I don’t see those as superior assets or players. Would I prefer them to nothing? Of course. Conley on a 3/60 is not ideal but if his issue does get better (it has happened before) or if we manage it really well then he raises the ceiling of the team the next two years more than others.

If there was an amazing sign and trade move that gets us a solid young guy with a couple years left on a modest deal then I’d go for it. I know you think Kuzma is that but the closer I look at him the more i am convinced he’s not it and that I’m not sure his salary is worth it. I don’t think we can expect to get picks in a deal for him either involving Conley or Bojan.

If you keep him then I think you look to other places for the pivot trade. It’s not ideal but that’s my plan A...does plan B end up better? It will have a lot to do with luck imo. I guess I’m fine with either... walking for nothing is the one that absolutely hoses us.

 

[oneye]

What do we do if we don’t have Mike though? I wish Ryan Smith would have bought the Jazz a couple years earlier. Guys like Neto would still be here.

 

[infection]

*Sam Cassell.

Wait… maybe it’s not Sam Cassell. The whole series I thought it was and thought he was looking a little old. Googling recent pictures he doesn’t appear to be that old appearing.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yeah. That makes sense. But you know what would have made even more sense? Not letting him leave so that you have the privilege of paying NWG more in the hopes that he develops into Neto.

BUT THEN CUTTING NWG AT THE FIRST SIGN HE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A PLAYER

 

[oneye]

BUT THEN CUTTING NWG AT THE FIRST SIGN HE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A PLAYER

NWG was never going to be a viable player and it was always obvious. Dennis deserves plenty of criticism for ridiculous crap he did.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’d do this because our window is now (well, yesterday, really, but you know what I mean). We aren’t getting this close again in a while.


Yeah. That makes sense. But you know what would have made even more sense? Not letting him leave so that you have the privilege of paying NWG more in the hopes that he develops into Neto.

Remember the scene in elf when the two failing writers come in and suggest to the CEO they bring in a good writer with a ready made idea. That’s what this reminds me of for some reason.

The mega all teh way in option is kinda what I’d like to see... if it blows up you can still flip re-signed Dort later when it’s tanking time. There is some certainty in having the pick unprotected instead of limited... you might give away something super valuable but knowing the timing of that helps plan the new timeline. It’s also possible he becomes something awesome and Presti gets like the 28th pick for him (I wouldn’t give reverse protections on the pick for them... they can have it unprotected or we go elsewhere).

Problem is of course if they don’t go for it there aren’t tanking teams that have the ability to take salary and give back cheap productive parts... so that is the challenge. There also might be desperate teams like Portland that outbid is. Anyway... that’s the type of thing I consider.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

BUT THEN CUTTING NWG AT THE FIRST SIGN HE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A PLAYER

Kinda like the timing of when they gave up on Bradley... Wait after he showed you exactly what you’d expect out a player like him you decide he needs to be salary dumped... you decided last year when he’d shown you nothing that you’d pick up that option.

NWG is not it though... I would rather have him than Thomas though.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Kinda like the timing of when they gave up on Bradley... Wait after he showed you exactly what you’d expect out a player like him you decide he needs to be salary dumped... you decided last year when he’d shown you nothing that you’d pick up that option.

NWG is not it though... I would rather have him than Thomas though.

Dennis, at this point, has to be seen as just getting really lucky in drafting Rudy and Mitchell. Most every other decision or move has been complete garbage.

Two huge hits in Mitchell and Gobert have covered a multitude of sins and just plain dumbassery.