Jazz Offseason Plan

[Handlogten's Heros]

I definitely agree with you. Playing a little devil's advocate, I think our front office would be correct in arguing that no matter what fringe moves we made, we weren't winning a title with two of our All Stars injured.
Hopefully the front office is able to see past the injuries and realize we need to be much better on the margins to put ourselves in the best position to win a title.

Right… maybe. If you have better moves on the fringe maybe you sweep Memphis and Mike isn’t out the clips series. Maybe you redo the whole offseason and get better option for MLE and maybe you pick someone like
Mcdaniels or Bane that has trade value and allows you to get a piece. Maybe nothing changes… but you need both things… or call it two kinda of luck… you need the luck you make and the luck the basketball gods bestow upon you for no reason.

I don’t think Milwaukee gets past the Nets if they don’t trade for Tucker. Suns got a big boost from Craig. Clips don’t add Batum and things look really different for them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think Bane *may* have changed things, especially with the Conley injury.

I have a real hard time getting that upset over McDaniels though. He was awful most of the season. He wouldn't have played for Utah most of the season and would have been too raw to put in for the playoffs. I think most of his positive stuff came after Minnesota had already lost a ton of games and there was no pressure. Now that could change in the future if he continues to develop, but simply for last season McDaniels would have 99% likely changed nothing.

 

[Park Bites]

Racist.

nice catch however it would not have been racist but bigotted

 

[Jazzman12]

I've noticed this too. In fact he was saying this again this morning in an interview with David James. Feels like he's changed his tune in recent days from what he was saying early in the offseason.

This is all starting to scare the **** outta me. Somebody already mentioned it a few pages ago, but it seems like our offseason battle cry heading into this year was: “We lost in the bubble because Bogey was hurt!” and now the battle cry for this offseason is: “We lost in the 2nd round because Conley was out and Donovan was banged up!”.

I really don’t mind bringing Conley back as I personally don’t think a sign and trade is super realistic and Conley walking for nothing puts us in an awful position but then I worry that Conley returning gives our FO and coaching staff the idea that we just need to stay healthy and get a little lucky come playoff time.

Just my opinion, but you absolutely CANNOT bring Conley back without adding another legit Point Guard to the roster because whether it’s during the regular season, playoffs, or both, Conley is going to miss stretches of games. We also CANNOT go into next season without making additions to the roster that can provide an answer for when opponents go small, but even if JZ makes the appropriate moves, there’s no telling at this point if Quin will be willing to make those adjustments in his coaching philosophy.

It seems to me that Quin’s mentality is something along the lines of: “The regular season proved that my system and my rotations worked. We just got snake bit in the playoffs.” If that is indeed his line of thinking, next season is already ****ed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Memphis is a team no one is really talking about. They have a lot of assets... they actually should have like $23M in space once they pass on picking up Winslow's option. They have a lot of players... they really need to do a 3 for 1 type of deal. I wonder what their plan is... what if those assholes try and bring Mike back.

I just wonder what position they try to upgrade. The rumor is they gave Duarte a promise... they have Allen, Bane, Brooks, Melton already. Do they upgrade at center... power forward or are they still waiting on JJJ. They have a real opportunity this offseason.

 

[KqWIN]

Of course Quin thinks his system works. Why else would he stick to the same stuff year after year? He is the weakest link in our defense. Until he demands more from players besides Rudy we have are going to get cooked.

 

[slc]

Probably would not be a bad idea to trade the #30 for two or more second round picks
That would save some guaranteed money for cap purposes

 

[Miggs]

It;s literally just one person who brings him up.

I don't think Brantley or Oni or even Mudiay have an elite NBA skill. We went after Thomas because we thought he was an elite NBA shooter.

With Ntilikina, we are definitely getting an elite NBA perimeter defender. He has that elite NBA skill. We have the need for players with that skill.

And there are more things at play for Ntilikina. Even though Mudiay did have a pretty good year with us, Frank would have more connections within the team. Just like getting Favors last year was lauded for his on and off the court contributions, I think a Frank deal could be too.

No, we really don’t. It’s dumb. We don’t need a liability on the court ala Simmons or arguably, Gobert. Hell, he could literally never play minutes with Gobert because the offense would be so limited. We need guys who can do a bit of everything, not one thing really well and suck at most else. There’s a reason he was third on the Knicks depth chart at a position at which they’re terrible. I’d FAR rather have Payton, another very good defender but someone who can other things like rebound (8.1%) and pass (32.9%) at surprisingly very high rates. Hell, he’s been on such bad teams, in a real system like ours, I actually think he could shoot 34-35% from three. But Frankie just blows.

 

[Miggs]

I definitely agree with you. Playing a little devil's advocate, I think our front office would be correct in arguing that no matter what fringe moves we made, we weren't winning a title with two of our All Stars injured.
Hopefully the front office is able to see past the injuries and realize we need to be much better on the margins to put ourselves in the best position to win a title.

Sorry but if the front office actually made that argument, it’s dumb as ****. They aren’t psychic and didn’t know Mike and Donnie were going to get hurt. Looking at our roster, our holes were painfully ****ing obvious. The fact that they didn’t address them is a major cause for concern. Whether we would’ve won a title or not had we made a move or two is completely immaterial here and if the FO plays it that way, **** them.

 

[LoPo]

No, we really don’t. It’s dumb. We don’t need a liability on the court ala Simmons or arguably, Gobert. Hell, he could literally never play minutes with Gobert because the offense would be so limited. We need guys who can do a bit of everything, not one thing really well and suck at most else. There’s a reason he was third on the Knicks depth chart at a position at which they’re terrible. I’d FAR rather have Payton, another very good defender but someone who can other things like rebound (8.1%) and pass (32.9%) at surprisingly very high rates. Hell, he’s been on such bad teams, in a real system like ours, I actually think he could shoot 34-35% from three. But Frankie just blows.

We need perimeter defending more than anything else on our roster. To discount a guy for his lack of offense when we have one of the best offensive units in the league is dumb in my opinion.

Sometimes, it takes elite defenders time to figure it out on the offensive end. Bruce Bowen bounced around for years. PJ Tucker was 27 before he started to establish himself in the league. Neither guy was a marksman or ball handler.

Frank Ntilikina hasn't even turned 23 yet, but there is statistical evidence throughout his first 4 years that he is an elite perimeter defender. Despite Thibs shelving him in NY this year, there were still tons of people begging for the Knicks to put Frank on Trae because he shuts Trae down. But even with home court advantage, Atlanta led by Trae disposed of NY pretty quickly. You don't think we could have used that defense against Jamal Murray? Or JA Morant? Or Reggie Jackson?

We need guys with elite skills and we definitely need perimeter defenders. Frank is worth a shot.

There are a few players I have been pining for on here for years, and we have missed the boat on not getting them: Batum, PJ Tucker, Rozier, Olynyk, and others. We can't do the same with Frank especially if he's coming at a minimum price tag.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Probably would not be a bad idea to trade the #30 for two or more second round picks
That would save some guaranteed money for cap purposes

I keep thinking this, and then I go look at the draft last year and after like pick #35, it’s a ghost town… No one after that seems to have done anything of note. And like every pick 25-30 panned out last year except our pick.

If we move the pick to trade down, I hope we also accomplish some other objective like getting off Fav’s contract, or as part of a deal to add a useful rotation piece.

 

[Miggs]

We need perimeter defending more than anything else on our roster. To discount a guy for his lack of offense when we have one of the best offensive units in the league is dumb in my opinion.

Sometimes, it takes elite defenders time to figure it out on the offensive end. Bruce Bowen bounced around for years. PJ Tucker was 27 before he started to establish himself in the league. Neither guy was a marksman or ball handler.

Frank Ntilikina hasn't even turned 23 yet, but there is statistical evidence throughout his first 4 years that he is an elite perimeter defender. Despite Thibs shelving him in NY this year, there were still tons of people begging for the Knicks to put Frank on Trae because he shuts Trae down. But even with home court advantage, Atlanta led by Trae disposed of NY pretty quickly. You don't think we could have used that defense against Jamal Murray? Or JA Morant? Or Reggie Jackson?

We need guys with elite skills and we definitely need perimeter defenders. Frank is worth a shot.

There are a few players I have been pining for on here for years, and we have missed the boat on not getting them: Batum, PJ Tucker, Rozier, Olynyk, and others. We can't do the same with Frank especially if he's coming at a minimum price tag.

We don’t need elite perimeter defenders. We need high end (or elite) perimeter defenders who also have shown other attributes imo. I don’t think we can sit there and develop Frankie for 2-3 years.