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I really think people are forgetting how wretched the bench’s offense was before Clarkson arrived. Trading him without at least one more scorer/creator off the bench (which they don’t currently have) would be a disaster.
It’s also important to remember that that bench was an absolute mess and the Jazz didn’t have Conley when it happened and were trying to figure out that whole situation all year.

I think there’s merit to your point and I would also like to keep Clarkson but I just don’t think the Jazz are as vulnerable now as they were then (especially since they were so thin and trying to integrate so many new pieces).
 
If Clarkson is traded for picks, someone would have to pick up his scoring. I assume it would not be Matty Ice. Eliza Huge, our two Baylor rookies and Malik Newman could audition in SL. Newman averaged about 15 ppg playing in Israel and Turkey and shot a decent percentage. Jarrell Martin could audition for the front court. First round pick of Memphis and he had a decent year in Australia as well.
 
I think trading Royce for Nance unplugs one hole to fill another. We need more defensive players, trading one for another isn’t going to do much.

The reason why I think it’s most logical to move Bogey is 1) he makes way more than Ingles/O’Neale/Clarkson and 2) his skill set is duplicated by so many other players on this roster.

Over the past two seasons the Jazz have struggled when everyone is healthy because we have one too many scorers/ball handlers. In theory you could never get enough, but someone always gets their touches/shots squeezed and end up being a standstill shooter who doesn’t give effort because they haven’t touched the ball in awhile.

It’s either Bogey or Clarkson for me. Not interested in trading O’Neale or Ingles unless it’s a significant upgrade.
 
It’s also important to remember that that bench was an absolute mess and the Jazz didn’t have Conley when it happened and were trying to figure out that whole situation all year.

I think there’s merit to your point and I would also like to keep Clarkson but I just don’t think the Jazz are as vulnerable now as they were then (especially since they were so thin and trying to integrate so many new pieces).
It might be ok…except when Conley is out. That leaves your scorers as Mitch and Bogie. If they’re all healthy, it’s unlikely any of them come off the bench. JC serves that role perfectly. (To be fair, if you trade Bogie then you lose probably our best shooter.)

I dunno, I think it’s really just personal preference between the two, I just think JC would be harder to replace.
 
I like nance… he’s not better than Bogey though and it’s not close. He’s ideal to helping us unlock some small ball and large ball lineups… we need Bogey or another wing though. Need to try and do a deal with something other than Bogey or get more back.

I think it's close enough that either player could be more valuable depending on the team context, but I'm low on Bogey. His metrics have always been low and I can't unsee the massive flaws in his game. His shooting and transition play is great, but I think he is the type of player to get overrated.

Nance obviously can't heat up and change a game in the same Bogey can, but he's really skilled and is a physical presence. I would love to see him on a good team. I think he does a lot of random stuff for CLE because they are awful, but if you streamline his game he can be really good. Doing the random **** has helped him develop some nice skills.

I feel like almost with everything Bogey does, it can be provided from someone else on the roster. Nance, on the other hand, would really unlock some different looks like you said.
 
I think trading Royce for Nance unplugs one hole to fill another. We need more defensive players, trading one for another isn’t going to do much.

The reason why I think it’s most logical to move Bogey is 1) he makes way more than Ingles/O’Neale/Clarkson and 2) his skill set is duplicated by so many other players on this roster.

Over the past two seasons the Jazz have struggled when everyone is healthy because we have one too many scorers/ball handlers. In theory you could never get enough, but someone always gets their touches/shots squeezed and end up being a standstill shooter who doesn’t give effort because they haven’t touched the ball in awhile.

It’s either Bogey or Clarkson for me. Not interested in trading O’Neale or Ingles unless it’s a significant upgrade.
I get what you're saying and I don't necessarily disagree. I just want to point out that it's probably easier finding a respectable 3&D wing than it is to find a respectable 3&D big. In other words; you might be able to have some version of both if you can grab the 3&D big because the Jazz are already hunting another 3&D wing (and they need to be able to assure them a role and minutes, BTW).

I think people are starting to really take what the Jazz were able to do offensively last year for granted. You get rid of Bogey and that's a fundamentally different attack on offense. You don't just go out and find players of Bogey's complexion off the scrap heap, and I don't know what to tell you if you see a poor-man's Bojan in Niang.

Royce is so important because he does big-man things that we need because we can't find a big that can space the floor and can play defense at the same time. It's not quite that simple but it's more simple than suggesting that we'll just up and replace a great off-ball scorer at 6' 8" that can exploit mismatches in the post and can also can pull-up 3s if he's not guarded. Or that we'll just up and drop the dude that has been the glue of the team for the past 5 years and everything will just keep working.

Of all of the players, Clarkson and Royce are the least special, and I wouldn't swap them out for something unless the incoming piece was a rarer type than they are. Nance seems to fit that bill.

The Jazz have been wandering the desert hoping a player like Nance falls out of the sky. It's time to make a sacrifice to bring the rain.
 
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If you knew you could nab Batum or Gay (as long as you opened up some playing time), then you definitely trade Bogie. Outside of that scenario, I’m really not sure at this point. I was more open to trading him during the draft for a high-motor defender on the wing.

Cam Reddish is an interesting idea. Not sure what the moving pieces would need to be.

I’d also keep my eye on Sumner in Indy. If he somehow slips out of favor during the regime change over there, then you swoop in.
 
I get what you're saying and I don't necessarily disagree. I just want to point out that it's probably easier finding a respectable 3&D wing than it is to find a respectable 3&D big. In other words; you might be able to have some version of both if you can grab the 3&D big because the Jazz are already hunting another 3&D wing (and they need to be able to assure them a role and minutes, BTW).

I think people are starting to really take what the Jazz were able to do offensively last year for granted. You get rid of Bogey and that's a fundamentally different attack on offense. You don't just go out and find players of Bogey's complexion off the scrap heap, and I don't know what to tell you if you see a poor-man's Bojan in Niang.

Royce is so important because he does big-man things that we need because we can't find a big that can space the floor and can play defense at the same time. It's not quite that simple but it's more simple than suggesting that we'll just up and replace a great off-ball scorer at 6' 8" that can exploit mismatches in the post. Or that we'll just up and drop the dude that has been the glue of the team for the past 5 years.

Of all of the players, Clarkson and Royce are the least special, and I wouldn't swap them out for something unless they were rarer types than they are. Nance seems to fit that bill.

I think a player like Nance is maybe more rare, but 3&D wings are still at a much higher premium IMO. It's so essential to have good 3&D wings which is Royce is so important to the rotation despite just being above average at both. I do wonder how much better of a perimeter defender and shooter he is than Nance. I think it's probably pretty close. I've also had some thoughts wondering just how much Royce is propped up by this team...but trading him just isn't an option for me. I don't like trading guys if you immediately need someone exactly like him. It's not easy to find 3&D wings. Everyone in the league wants them.

I'm not sure if we remove Bogey it's that much different of attack. I think that Bogey's presence is felt most when we have someone else out. It's not necessarily his fault, but he does get squeezed when everyone is healthy. If it's not him, it's someone else. Obviously there was the wrist injury, but I don't think it's a surprise that he wasn't able to take off last season until we saw some injuries to Mitchell, Conley, ect. When everyone is healthy, someone is either relegated to standing in the corner or they are awkwardly forcing their touches/shots and breaking the offense to do so.

Bogey has had his moments when his post game and individual scoring ability has got us wins, but he's also had his moments where he's killing the flow, forcing things, and giving the other team easy pick 6's. His skillset is additive, but when Mitchell, Conley, Clarkson, Ingles ect are all healthy there are some diminishing returns. It's great insurance for when one of those guys are out, but to if we're going to win everyone has got to be healthy and we've got to address the massive holes on this roster somehow.

If you told me should move Clarkson instead I wouldn't mind it either. That solves the problem too. I just think one of Bogey/Clarkson should go. Having two players who only provide scoring is a luxury that we can't afford. Just doesn't seem like a Clarkson trade is even a consideration, however, and he's getting paid a lot less than Bogey.
 
Just guessing but I think at this point Jazz may keep their core together
They did a lot they needed to do
They traded Favors, they got Butler who they wanted, looks like they sign Conley at a
somewhat reasonable contract
Now they may need to get Udoka and Hughes ready to play
Next they need to sign a couple vets to fill some needs
They are no longer at code red and have some options
 
There were reports at last years trade deadline that the Cavs turned down offers for Nance that included multiple 1st round picks. I seriously doubt we have the assets to acquire him. You'd likely need to offer an expiring contract and a couple of 1st round picks, and they may even turn that down.

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/03/06/raptors-insane-price-larry-nance-jr-cavaliers/
I couldn’t tell you their motivations for them leaking that he’s on the market because they shouldn’t really be looking. But they’re the Cavs? IDK, sometimes weird **** happens.

If I had to venture a guess, they realize that they also have no particular reason for holding onto him and might regret passing on some offers, so now they’re trying to get something like a bidding war going. But I don’t know. The Cavs are a disaster.
 
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