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Jazz Playoff Watch

TheSilencer1313 said:
Why wouldn't you want these young guys to get some playoff experience while Millsap, Harris, and Jefferson are still here to bring them there?
For all you know, the Jazz can be this years Memphis Grizzlies.

"Beer is proof that God loves us, and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin
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Losing our lottery pick is worth getting destroyed by the Spurs or OKC? We are not the Grizzlies from last year.
 
Obviously our best idea is to tank the rest of this year, then tank each of the next 13 years and try to get at least 7-10 #1 picks. Once we have 7-10 #1 picks, we must then tank a few more years to make up for the old legs of the first couple of #1's. Eventually, after tanking enough years we should have a whole roster of #1 picks because that is apparently the only chance we have ever.
 
Scorpjazz said:
Obviously our best idea is to tank the rest of this year, then tank each of the next 13 years and try to get at least 7-10 #1 picks. Once we have 7-10 #1 picks, we must then tank a few more years to make up for the old legs of the first couple of #1's. Eventually, after tanking enough years we should have a whole roster of #1 picks because that is apparently the only chance we have ever.
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Losing out on our potential point guard of the future is worth getting whooped in the first round?
 
Kenwood said:
I think you're looking at the schedule for what you want to see. You're counting losable games for the Rockets and in the other thread you're counting winnable games for the Jazz. For teams in the .500 range, every game is winnable and every game is losable. You have to use the same method on both sides or you're comparing apples and oranges.
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no, i am not comparing apples to oranges... it's just that in one thread the conversation was about apples and in another thread the conversation was about oranges. both teams have games they should win, games they should lose and games that could go either way. i was really just pointing out all the games i think houston COULD lose, and in a separate conversation, all the games utah COULD win.

You said yourself above that Houston probably finishes with 36 or 37 wins, which means Jazz have to go 7-2 or 8-1 to tie (which means one of those wins has to be the tiebreaker).
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some of this is moot, because i also had them losing at portland, so last night's win might be the backbreaker. but just so you see where i was coming from...

i had the jazz-rox game as a loss, BUT if they won it, it suddenly becomes much easier to make up ground on them. a jazz W tomorrow makes it so that houston only has to lose one more game unexpectedly (and the jazz have to win all the ones i have budgeted for them). that was my only point. again, less valid now because now i have houston finishing at 38 wins, but that was my thinking yesterday when i posted.
 
NCJazz said:
Losing out on our potential point guard of the future is worth getting whooped in the first round?
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maybe or maybe not, but that's beside the point since the jazz will probably be picking in a range where they're unlikely to find a franchise-changin player at any position. having a young core that has some playoff experience is better than having an even younger core with no playoff experience but one more guy.
 
Ben10 said:
Who exactly is this PG of the future you are talking about. Name please.
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Lillard, Marshall, or perhaps Wroten who probably has the most talent of the three. In free agency I would love to go after Dragic, but has probably priced himself out of our range now. If this was a case where we would just be drafting a couple of spots later I would be all for making the playoffs.
 
theNBAnerd said:
maybe or maybe not, but that's beside the point since the jazz will probably be picking in a range where they're unlikely to find a franchise-changin player at any position. having a young core that has some playoff experience is better than having an even younger core with no playoff experience but one more guy.
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Picking in the lottery may very well produce a player that can take us over the hump. I think we can wait one more year for the playoffs. The big thing is for the young guys to get more playing time next season. Not to play a few minutes in the playoffs this year.
 
NCJazz said:
Lillard, Marshall, or perhaps Wroten who probably has the most talent of the three. In free agency I would love to go after Dragic, but has probably priced himself out of our range now. If this was a case where we would just be drafting a couple of spots later I would be all for making the playoffs.
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Exactly. We're not talking about drafting 13/14 vs. 16/17. We're talking about drafting late lottery vs. potentially NOT having ANY pick (and in a good draft).
 
we have to lose that pick at some point anyway. so if we keep the pick this year, we lose the pick next year. why don't people get that?

wanna know how valuable a pick in that range is? i looked at the last 30 players selected in the 12-14 spots, and there wasn't a single all-star on the list. there was about double the chance of the guy not lasting in the league (43%) than becoming a regular starter (23%), and only one guy in the entire group has ever averaged 20 ppg in a season.

you can see the full detail here (https://www.jazzbros.com/2012/04/valueoflatelottopick/), but suffice it to say that a 12-14 pick is highly unlikely to be a franchise changer. most of them have been role players, scrubs, or total busts.
 
still rather get it this year,
if the draft is strong this year,
and hoping that next year the Jazz will have a better record with the 4 all more experienced.

getting in as 7th or 8th does not thrill me
getting in as 5th or better is interesting
 
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