Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

[Stoked]

Cobra Kai for sure. That’s awesome lmfao

Stifle Tower, Jingles, Spida, Slick Ricky and now Cobra Kai lmfao.

We need something for Crowder and O’Neale

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have no idea. If it’s even $3M, it’s still small compared to what we’d pay Favors. I know most think that’s a foolish idea, though, including the FO.

its a cost effective gamble... you think Was says no to us taking #44 and using the tpe on Meeks... a few million off their books would really help. Would have netted KBD for basically nothing.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Cobra Kai for sure. That’s awesome lmfao

Stifle Tower, Jingles, Spida, Slick Ricky and now Cobra Kai lmfao.

We need something for Crowder and O’Neale

Cobra Kai or Elder Allen (looks like a missionary, and is old... so Elder works)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Cobra Kai or Elder Allen (looks like a missionary, and is old... so Elder works)

Royce is buckets o neale... i like that or Rolls Royce (too obvious doe).

Jae should be the Predator or THE PREDATOR!!!

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Cobra Kai or Elder Allen (looks like a missionary, and is old... so Elder works)

What does missionary and being older have to do with each other?


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[infection]

People complaining about giving away 52 need to calm down. There are no spots for 52th pick. I wanted them to move up but you have to have a willing partner.

Based on other trades, people were willing. Picks in 30s trades for assets we had.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What does missionary and being older have to do with each other?


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The other meaning of elder... elderly... it works on different levels. He's older than Joe Ingles.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Based on other trades, people were willing. Picks in 30s trades for assets we had.

Yup... and it happens every year... and every year we pass cuz roster spots or too many young guys or not anyone we liked or I had a deal in place but want HH to be pissed tomorrow.

 

[8]

Thought I saw somewhere that jazz were doubting there’d be any roster spots, which played a part in selling the pick. Maybe that tony guy on Twitter

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yeah, the 2nd round thing is sticking with me as much or more than really not liking using 21 on Allen (and supposedly passing on a "really good" offer to trade him).

There were guys worth rolling the dice on. Even at 52.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Good post. Who are the 2nd round picks that the jazz have actually taken in the last 5 years or so anyway? Im just curious to see how they are doing now. I have no point to make or anything. Simply curious.

That's not a case to not care about the 2nd round, it's a case for caring more.

40% of the players in the NBA weren't 1st rounders. I guess the FOs attitude is they'd rather go kicking every tire and looking under every rock in Europe instead? But why not do both?

 

[toddychurch]

There is something about Locke that makes my blood boil. I was ready to move on and let it go and just hope Allen will improve his game, but just listen to his podcast today selling Allen. I've never seen mental gymnastics like this... so the 3 criticisms against him are -
(1) he can't defend... but oh well who could in college really? even Mitchell wasn't awesome in Louisville? ORLY? You gonna sell me this bill of goods? WTF are you looking at? Donovan was a monster defensively. Allen projects as worse denfender than Trae FRICKING YOUNG and Jerome Robinson... Process that for a little bit.

(2) elite athlete vs cones but doesn't show on tape - "I mean it's kinda true"... finishing at the rim in the 40s(FOURTIES!!!!), previous 2 year in the low 50s???? You know how we harp on Burks not being a efficient finisher even though he has flashy finishes at the rim? Well Burks in the NBA was MUCH better than Allen has been vs inferior competition in college. Also... when the floor was spread he was actually going to the rim... ORLY? Like... you mean... totally like the personnel we don't really have to play? Well OK then. I bet he will be going to the rim a ton with Rudy and Favs in there. Oh and one more... "u can see his athleticism when he chases contested balls" this is the first time I've heard this nonsense. So you are telling me Delly is an awesome athlete too? ORLY? Keep talking... lets hear more...

(3) for the reputation of an elite shooter... he's actually kind of... meh shooter. In essence in this exercise he tried limiting the sample to numbers that are not representative and saying - "I mean... he can improve on this(shooting open shots), or that"...

So to sum up - we should love the pick.. .but... 1. he cannot defend, 2. his supposed athleticism actually cannot be seen on tape, except when he goes for loose balls, and he cannot finish a the rim 3. his supposed super strength(shooting) is actually not super strong either...

Believe me, I was really getting to a place where I was OK with this pick, but this BS has engaged my gag reflex and I cannot swallow all the BS I'm being fed by the company shill.

I agree with this so much. I have always had a hard time with Locke’s “analytics”. But it’s the way he disregards some facts and analytics and accepts others that gets me. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Allen has deficiencies and it’s okay to acknowledge them along with his strengths. Locke almost seems offended by people who are questioning and/or dislike the pick.

I’m underwhelmed with the pick, hope he helps our team with his skill set, and will cheer for him to develop into a good player. Honestly he reminds me of Danny Ainge and I’m not sure how to feel about that .