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Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

I will support Allen, but I'm building houses and strip malls on Okobo Island. I don't have all the real estate called for, but if you want to purchase land it is going fast.
 
Grayson's Hands said:
I totally agree with everything you said except don’t use Mitchell as the example. He’s the exception.
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Look at draft histories, and tell me that after the first 10 picks, that **** isn't all over the place. Where a guy gets selected isn't strong evidence to me of any objective measurement. There are so, so many variables. That's the rule.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The sad thing is... I think Okobo is just as ready for the minutes Allen likely gets this year. He's been playing pro ball for a couple years now. Better shooter and creator and finisher. I think he might currently be worse on defense and he likely does not play as hard as Allen. His hand pads are likely subpar.
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Okobo is primarily a PG who plays on the ball. If the Jazz don't think he'll impact the end of games due to position, I can see them passing on him. I think he's likely to become the Suns' starting PG within a year though.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Indiana locked onto Holiday early, porty chose between him an Simons, Sixers need more off ball value and are also down a GM, Celtics had to take Williams, GS needs wing depth and a more ready made player, BKN has a ton of combo guards, and Atlanta already took two guards...

I think it means that the NBA values NCAA more than Euro guys still. If Okobo played in the NCAA he would have dominated... his numbers were great playing against grown men. I don't feel like it really means something... sometimes teams reach for a guy and sometimes teams miss on a guy.

I mean DM went 8 picks after Fox so that means something... right?

Not arguing one player is better than another... arguing that a guy going after a guy means there is a drop in talent.
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I remember reading that Okobo played in a rather weak league


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NUMBERICA said:
Look at draft histories, and tell me that after the first 10 picks, that **** isn't all over the place. Where a guy gets selected isn't strong evidence to me of any objective measurement. There are so, so many variables. That's the rule.
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It’s more of people being upset that we didn’t take someone at 21 who fell to the second round. You don’t think DL knew everything that HH brought up? He could have easily moved down to 29-30 and grabbed Okobo plus an extra asset.
 


This kinda sums up my thoughts... there aren't safe bets and picks that late.
 
Catchall said:
I thought the Grayson Allen-to-the-Jazz hype, which was all over the league btw, was our smokescreen. I thought we were going to make a play for Troy Brown (and see if we could make him our version of Jimmy Butler) or JRob (and see if we could make him our version of Jamal Murray).
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I don't know why you thought that? Locke doesn't do smokescreens! This is like... 7 years in a row he's spoiling what we are going to do without a miss!
 
What this draft says to me is that the Jazz like their core team. They're more interested in making tweaks than big changes.

Rudy is our top 5 C.
Mitchell is our top 5 - 10 SG
Rubio is our top 10 PG.
Ingles is our top 10 SF.

The Jazz have a 3-year window with this group before Rudy hits free agency.
 
stitches said:
THIS!!! This is precisely why especially in the 20s you need to aim for high upside... even the supposed safe picks are not safe so.... just... go for it.
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So DL should have passed on Allen because he doesn’t have as high of a ceiling as someone else?
 
stitches said:
I don't know why you thought that? Locke doesn't do smokescreens! This is like... 7 years in a row he's spoiling what we are going to do without a miss!
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Locke was hyping Marcus Smart and Aaron Gordon when we picked Dante Exum, but it was safe for him to do so. Either Smart or Gordon were assured to be on the board at #5.
Locke was hyping Trey Lyles, but there was almost no way Lyles was going to go higher than #12 in that draft, so it was safe to do so.
Locke was hyping Dejounte Murray and Wade Baldwin in 2016. Again, both those guys were safely going to be on the board for the Jazz.
Locke would have hyped JRob and Kevin Huerter more than he did, but it was too risky since they might not be there for the Jazz.

Locke's job is to manage expectations. He's not going to pine for a player like Miles Bridges if he's not sure the guy will be on the board. The other guy Locke hyped this year was Mo Wagner, again someone slightly below our range.
 
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