Jazz select Isaiah Collier at pick 29

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I mean anyone can score 20 if they have enough shots. Collier is going to struggle to score his rookie year. I think it will take a couple years before he is a quality rotation player (outside of trying to lose).

He drives well but his style of bully ball might not translate given his lack of length and lack of ability to rise up in the paint

Unless the jazz are serious about the tank he won’t play much.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Unless the jazz are serious about the tank he won’t play much.

Yeah I would think even if the Jazz are seriously tanking they like to use the Stars for these kind of olayers.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Yes but if you do a deep dive into the numbers he’s way better shooter than a bunch of guys that went into the lottery. He was a 34% shooter from 3 in college. Could he swing that up to 36-37% I don’t know but it’s very possible nice to finally have a young prospect where his natural position is PG. I think he just needs a few mechanical fixes and he’ll be fine.

On that not, I’ve heard he fell in the draft due to not shooting well which is super confusing because we saw guys like Castle, Holland, Buzelis, Salaun and others go much higher while not just being worse shooters, far and away worse shooters. It really isn’t close. So I don’t think you should be nitpicking at his shooting

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The encouraging thing was he improved throughout the year to where he was shooting 39% the last couple months of the season.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Unless the jazz are serious about the tank he won’t play much.

Collier gonna surprise people. It will be fun to watch dudes become converted

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

The encouraging thing was he improved throughout the year to where he was shooting 39% the last couple months of the season.

I still remember all the scouting reports coming out saying Mitchell was inconsistent with his shot and he came out hitting shots at a great rate as if he had always been a knock down shooter. Maybe Collier will do something similar.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I still remember all the scouting reports coming out saying Mitchell was inconsistent with his shot and he came out hitting shots at a great rate as if he had always been a knock down shooter. Maybe Collier will do something similar.

Mitchell also proved it during workouts and rose.

Word is Collier shot like **** in workouts.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Mitchell also proved it during workouts and rose.

Word is Collier shot like **** in workouts.

Interesting I heard the opposite of his individual workouts prior to the draft.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Interesting I heard the opposite of his individual workouts prior to the draft.

Makes sense why he fell if he was killing workouts and proved he can shoot.

*Sarcasm*

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Makes sense why he fell if he was killing workouts and proved he can shoot.

*Sarcasm*

He slipped because the turnovers scared people, the way he shot during the season, and his underwhelming measurements

 

[KqWIN]

If Collier shot 80% from the line and attempted 8+ 3P per40 like Mitchell, he'd have been a top 8 pick easily. Maybe top 1 pick. He's where he's at because he did not have those marks and he obviously did not impress in the workouts.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

If Collier shot 80% from the line and attempted 8+ 3P per40 like Mitchell, he'd have been a top 8 pick easily. Maybe top 1 pick. He's where he's at because he did not have those marks and he obviously did not impress in the workouts.

You need to look at Mitchell’s freshman year not his sophomore year. Surely Collier would’ve improved in all those you mentioned. Collier was a much better 3pt shooter his freshman year 33.8% on 4 attempts Mitchell was 25% on 4.9 attempts. Though Mitchell shot better from the line. However Collier was way more efficient than Mitchell and better at finishing at the rim.

Looking at Mitchell’s sophomore year compared to Collier’s freshman year makes no sense.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

If Collier shot 80% from the line and attempted 8+ 3P per40 like Mitchell, he'd have been a top 8 pick easily. Maybe top 1 pick. He's where he's at because he did not have those marks.

Yup. It’s not rocket science why he fell. Fortunately his frosh season is not the end for him and it’s time to dominate

 

[KqWIN]

You need to look at Mitchell’s freshman year not his sophomore year. Surely Collier would’ve improved in all those you mentioned. Collier was a much better 3pt shooter his freshman year 33.8% on 4 attempts Mitchell was 25% on 4.9 attempts. Though Mitchell shot better from the line. However Collier was way more efficient than Mitchell and better at finishing at the rim.

Looking at Mitchell’s sophomore year compared to Collier’s freshman year makes no sense.

Mitchell went through an incredible, outlier shooting improvement. A lot of guys would look great with an incredible, outlier shooting improvement. Either way, Mitchell's greater volume and FT% (which have been shown to be better indicators than 3FG% itself) were still higher freshman-freshman.

Mitchell had already proven himself to make that jump, and we were talking about Mitchell coming into the draft. Nobody says it's impossible for players to make that jump, but the point is it's unlikely and that's a big reason why Collier fell from #1 to #29.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Mitchell went through an incredible, outlier shooting improvement. A lot of guys would look great with an incredible, outlier shooting improvement. Either way, Mitchell's greater volume and FT% (which have been shown to be better indicators than 3FG% itself) were still higher freshman-freshman.

Mitchell had already proven himself to make that jump, and we were talking about Mitchell coming into the draft. Nobody says it's impossible for players to make that jump, but the point is it's unlikely and that's a big reason why Collier fell from #1 to #29.

Either way it’s laughable to compare someone’s freshman season against someone’s sophomore season completely laughable. Also Mitchell was a gunner Collier a point guard.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

I still remember all the scouting reports coming out saying Mitchell was inconsistent with his shot and he came out hitting shots at a great rate as if he had always been a knock down shooter. Maybe Collier will do something similar.

mitchell did not come out of the gates as anywhere close to an efficient scorer.

 

[KqWIN]

Either way it’s laughable to compare someone’s freshman season against someone’s sophomore season completely laughable. Also Mitchell was a gunner Collier a point guard.

For players who are not freshman, how many times are we looking at their previous years? 95% when we look at prospects we are evaluating prospects and looking at them as they came into the league. I would say that's a better process than picking out a player right before he made an outlier development. Again, if you project an outlier development onto everyone, everyone looks good.

I saw people comparing Bronny's freshman year to Jimmy Butler's freshman year. IMO, that does not make much sense. I prefer to use the most relevant info to compare players, the most relevant info is the player they are coming into the league.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

mitchell did not come out of the gates as anywhere close to an efficient scorer.
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Talking about his rookie year as a whole. Obviously he was slow out the gate. He began the year on the bench and worked his way up. Even in that graphic those aren’t the stats of an iffy shooter. Also didn’t he break the rookie record for made threes beating out Lillard a known elite shooter. He came out the gate as at least a really good shooter

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

For players who are not freshman, how many times are we looking at their previous years? 95% when we look at prospects we are evaluating prospects and looking at them as they came into the league. I would say that's a better process than picking out a player right before he made an outlier development. Again, if you project an outlier development onto everyone, everyone looks good.

I saw people comparing Bronny's freshman year to Jimmy Butler's freshman year. IMO, that does not make much sense. I prefer to use the most relevant info to compare players, the most relevant info is the player they are coming into the league.

Lmao doesn’t matter.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

Talking about his rookie year as a whole. Obviously he was slow out the gate. He began the year on the bench and worked his way up. Even in that graphic those aren’t the stats of an iffy shooter. Also didn’t he break the rookie record for made threes beating out Lillard a known elite shooter. He came out the gate as at least a really good shooter

I'm happy to fact check you.
Bottom line: you're wrong.

The jazz needed a guy who could generate offense and take tough shots. Mitchell was up for it, and did a great job, considering the circumstances. The team won, though, because of Rudy.




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[NAOS_pt2]

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