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Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)

NAOS said:
I've never made an argument that he'll get more shots.
I think we can positively change the way he takes and makes his shots.
He could take the same number and get to 13ppg. IMO.
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i wasn't talking to you directly, but do you realize that increasing to 13 ppg on the same amount of shots means a PPS of 1.59? that would have been top 3 last year, behind chandler and harden and right in front of dwight and lebron.

lofty goals, NAOS.
 
theNBAnerd said:
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i wasn't talking to you directly, but do you realize that increasing to 13 ppg on the same amount of shots means a PPS of 1.59? that would have been top 3 last year, behind chandler and harden and right in front of dwight and lebron.

lofty goals, NAOS.
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I didn't do the math, so whatevar. Make it two additional points (to 12ppg).
The point is that his usage suggests problems that can and should be fixed.
 
NAOS said:
I didn't do the math, so whatevar. Make it two additional points (to 12ppg).
The point is that his usage suggests problems that can and should be fixed.
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that's 1.46 PPS, 4th in the league behind chandler, harden and dwight, still ahead of lebron.

my point is simply that for a guy like marvin to increase his scoring, he's going to have to increase his touches. you just can't consistently score much more than 10 points when you shoot 8 times per game. that's been his consistent FGA average for three years, and if we want more points out of him, he's going to need the basketball more than 8 times.
 
theNBAnerd said:
that's 1.46 PPS, 4th in the league behind chandler, harden and dwight, still ahead of lebron.

my point is simply that for a guy like marvin to increase his scoring, he's going to have to increase his touches. you just can't consistently score much more than 10 points when you shoot 8 times per game. that's been his consistent FGA average for three years, and if we want more points out of him, he's going to need the basketball more than 8 times.
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you make a solid point. And, like I've already said, my reasoning wasn't math based. It was about usage. I'll quote myself, "The point is that his usage suggests problems that can and should be fixed."

I'll double down and say he could get 13ppg on 9.5 shots a game... andI'llTakeYourCommentsOffTheAirThankYou
 
^ in other words, you've appropriately hammered me for reaching for a number when I was trying to make a point about usage. Now that I've clarified myself, would you like to say something about his usage? I'm genuinely curious.
 
no, that's fair. i agree with your overall point that marvin could learn to be more effective, but given the type of player he is and the type of shots he takes, he realistically is going to need to increase his shot count to increase his ppg. and, going farther back in this thread, i don't know how he does either in the starting five because he'll be playing with 4 guys who like having the basketball.
 
I heard Locke and Checketts talking today and they mentioned the Marvin Williams deal won't be official until July 11th. Was that discussed earlier in the thread and I missed it?
 
Shaggy said:
I heard Locke and Checketts talking today and they mentioned the Marvin Williams deal won't be official until July 11th. Was that discussed earlier in the thread and I missed it?
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nothing can be made official between july 1 and july 10. since it didn't get approved before the moratorium began, it will be "pending approval" until the 11th.
 
interesting looking back at the comments the night he was drafted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hummeJ-pdko&feature=relmfu

dick vitale got it right...
 
David Locke: Talk to an NBA coach last night about Marvin Williams "He is a legitimate starting 3, better shooter than people think, strong rebounder" Twitter

this was just twitted... I hope Williams works out. I really do.
 
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