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Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)

Marvin Williams was just more valuable to the Jazz than Harris after the MoWill trade. A little risk given the extra year but the Jazz can't be too picky anyway. So KOC and Jazz system versus Marvin's flat career trajectory so far. We'll see.

But to me the biggest thing is this give Hayward more minutes at SG versus SF. That is a huge plus.

Right?
 
theNBAnerd said:
i still don't understand the assumption that marvin will get more shots with the jazz. the way i see it, in the halfcourt he's going to be a fifth option behind mo, hayward and whichever two of jefferson/sap/fave are still around in november and starting.

now, in the open court, he could be fun to watch. he and hayward running the wings on a 3-on-2 presents some possibilities. too bad we no longer have a real point guard to get them the ball.
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....I thought the Jazz offense was predicated on who's open will get the shots, not some set pattern of guys who THINK they are open! We move the ball around, set screens and picks, and whomever is open takes the wide open highest percentage shot! Ain't that the way basketball is suppose to be played???
 
CONAN said:
Marvin Williams was just more valuable to the Jazz than Harris after the MoWill trade. A little risk given the extra year but the Jazz can't be too picky anyway. So KOC and Jazz system versus Marvin's flat career trajectory so far. We'll see.

But to me the biggest thing is this give Hayward more minutes at SG versus SF. That is a huge plus.

Right?
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does Hayward have the athleticism and lateral quickness to keep up with quick opposing SGs on defense?
More importantly, can he physical enough? The Thunder learnt these finals that they were'nt quite physical enough, even if their athleticism was off the charts. Thats a problem with the Jazz, with Big Al already forming the middle of a donut defense
 
does Hayward have the athleticism and lateral quickness to keep up with quick opposing SGs on defense?
More importantly, can he physical enough? The Thunder learnt these finals that they were'nt quite physical enough, even if their athleticism was off the charts. Thats a problem with the Jazz, with Big Al already forming the middle of a donut defense.
Will his 3-pt shot be more consistent?
There are quite a few questions around Hayward right now. The 2 years that KOC asked everyone to wait to evaluate Hayward is up. I wonder what KOC'S and coaching staff's current grades of Hayward are
 
I don't see any negative with this trade. Devin is a very good player but was a bad fit. When I think on what we needed, personally I wanted a more consistent wing that would play defense and hit some outside shots. Hopefully somebody with some size. Well, here we go.

Marvin has apparently never shown the kind of dominant play you want from a top 3 pick but certainly fits what we need to a T. He's not perfect and if he was we wouldn't have him. I remember a guy that played this same spot who never took over games but was a reliable hustle player and could hit an outside shot once in a while. That guy defended the best player ever good enough to help enable the Jazz to push to 6 games in the finals 2 years in a row.

Sometimes the right role player is a perfect addition.
 
Brown Notes said:
I remember a guy that played this same spot who never took over games but was a reliable hustle player and could hit an outside shot once in a while. That guy defended the best player ever good enough to help enable the Jazz to push to 6 games in the finals 2 years in a row.

Sometimes the right role player is a perfect addition.
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Well, according to Hawks fans, Marvin does have a hard time staying on his feet. Maybe we'll see a little shove from LeBron as he pushes Marvin to the floor and hits the winning shot.
 
Brown Notes said:
I don't see any negative with this trade. Devin is a very good player but was a bad fit. When I think on what we needed, personally I wanted a more consistent wing that would play defense and hit some outside shots. Hopefully somebody with some size. Well, here we go.

Marvin has apparently never shown the kind of dominant play you want from a top 3 pick but certainly fits what we need to a T. He's not perfect and if he was we wouldn't have him. I remember a guy that played this same spot who never took over games but was a reliable hustle player and could hit an outside shot once in a while. That guy defended the best player ever good enough to help enable the Jazz to push to 6 games in the finals 2 years in a row.

Sometimes the right role player is a perfect addition.
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Wow, Brown Notes bringing out the old school finals team mentality!!
I like... I like.

But wait, didn't this guy also challenge the other finals guy to a one on one showdown after the other guy was in his 40's?
 
I think they go big with Hayward at SG. I think that's where you start and then adjust if needed. It also probably means less time for Milsap at SF.
 
Conan why are you laughing at BYU being the 1984 "national champs"?

I thought you were a BYU fan?
 
I'm 'meh' toward this trade - Williams can shoot the three and runs the court well, but sometimes when I've watched him play he tended to disappear for long stretches....
 
NAOS said:
I've never made an argument that he'll get more shots.
I think we can positively change the way he takes and makes his shots.
He could take the same number and get to 13ppg. IMO.
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i wasn't talking to you directly, but do you realize that increasing to 13 ppg on the same amount of shots means a PPS of 1.59? that would have been top 3 last year, behind chandler and harden and right in front of dwight and lebron.

lofty goals, NAOS.
 
theNBAnerd said:
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i wasn't talking to you directly, but do you realize that increasing to 13 ppg on the same amount of shots means a PPS of 1.59? that would have been top 3 last year, behind chandler and harden and right in front of dwight and lebron.

lofty goals, NAOS.
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I didn't do the math, so whatevar. Make it two additional points (to 12ppg).
The point is that his usage suggests problems that can and should be fixed.
 
NAOS said:
I didn't do the math, so whatevar. Make it two additional points (to 12ppg).
The point is that his usage suggests problems that can and should be fixed.
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that's 1.46 PPS, 4th in the league behind chandler, harden and dwight, still ahead of lebron.

my point is simply that for a guy like marvin to increase his scoring, he's going to have to increase his touches. you just can't consistently score much more than 10 points when you shoot 8 times per game. that's been his consistent FGA average for three years, and if we want more points out of him, he's going to need the basketball more than 8 times.
 
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