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Coach Ellis said:
Jazz should just roll out the tallest lineup they have

Keyonte - Collier - WCJ
Bailey - Williams - Procida
Markkanen - Sensabaugh - Mykhailiuk
Hendricks - Filipowski - Anderson
Kessler - Nurkic - Tshiebwa

Harkless, Luis, Tonje all on 2 way contracts
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Those 5 are the guys I want to start
 
Coach Ellis said:
Jazz should just roll out the tallest lineup they have

Keyonte - Collier - WCJ
Bailey - Williams - Procida
Markkanen - Sensabaugh - Mykhailiuk
Hendricks - Filipowski - Anderson
Kessler - Nurkic - Tshiebwa

Harkless, Luis, Tonje all on 2 way contracts
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Collier is looking great in SL. I love how quickly he processes the game and sees passing lanes develop. And given that your proposed starting 5 lacks this skill so desperately, Collier gets the nod over Keyonte from me. He's also a better defender than Keyonte, imo.
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
Collier is looking great in SL. I love how quickly he processes the game and sees passing lanes develop. And given that your proposed starting 5 lacks this skill so desperately, Collier gets the nod over Keyonte from me. He's also a better defender than Keyonte, imo.
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5 assists and 5 TOs is “looking great” now?

LOL
 
I think he’s trying too hard. When he gets everyone involved is when he’s at his best. I’m sure having Ace is going to be a boon for him.
 
I’m not really interested in going the RFA or sign & trade route, but I think Kuminga is a much more obtainable option tbh.

Either way, I do think I’d like the Jazz to go after Anthony Black. Not sure what he’d cost to go get, but I’d love to see him with the Jazz.
 
framer said:
Giddey is a weenie.
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If the jazz acquired giddey then tremendous downside would immediately think giddey is the worst acquisition made this off season. Tremendous downside only likes giddey because he doesn't play for the jazz.
 
bigmike said:
Not that I think the lotto is rigged but no reason to rig it against us this year.
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I'd be careful on that. Us landing AJ or Boozer would further fuel conspiracy theories of it being rigged. After all the talk about it this year, the only option they have next year is to prove to everyone that it's not rigged by rigging it against us.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Contract year. He should have a great season.
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That NBA players significantly boost performance in contract years has always struck me as a cliche and not necessarily evidence-based. For what it's worth, I did a quick search using different AI programs, and below is their conclusions. I don't claim this settles the question, but it tends toward confirming my suspicion than debunking it.

Perplexity

The idea that NBA players significantly improve their performance in contract years is a widespread belief, but the evidence is mixed and often overstated.
  • Some studies do show a modest increase in certain performance metrics, such as Player Efficiency Rating (PER), during contract years. For example, one study found that PER tends to go up during the contract year but then dips below the baseline after the new contract is signed1. However, not all performance metrics show improvement—blocks and steals, for instance, did not increase during the contract year, though they did decline afterward1.
  • Other analyses suggest the effect is minimal or inconsistent. One study found that, on average, the PER of contract year players was actually lower than that of players with multiple years left on their contracts, though age complicates this relationship3. Another analysis using a novel measure of "overperformance" found only limited evidence of a contract year boost, with some older players showing slightly improved rebounding, but no broad, significant effect across all players or metrics2.
  • Anecdotal examples (like Erick Dampier's spike in performance before a new contract) are often cited, but systematic evidence across the league is lacking or weak2. The contract year phenomenon is more robustly supported in MLB than in the NBA1.
In summary: While there is some evidence of a small, short-term boost in certain stats for some players during contract years, the overall effect is limited, inconsistent, and often exaggerated by anecdotal cases. The cliché that NBA players universally raise their game in contract years is not strongly supported by rigorous, league-wide evidence.

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Several comprehensive studies have found mixed or contradictory evidence for the contract year effect. A detailed 2013 Claremont study using novel performance measures found that for certain player subsets, shooting percentage, usage percentage, and field goal attempts actually decrease in contract years WikipediaClaremont Colleges.

Research using both NBA and MLB data found evidence of a performance boost during contract years in some scoring statistics, but this was followed by performance crashes in post-contract years, suggesting the effect may be more about motivation undermining than genuine improvement The contract year syndrome in the NBA and MLB: A classic undermining pattern | Request PDF.

Why The Myth Persists:

The phenomenon gets attention because of memorable anecdotal cases, but studies examining broader evidence suggest it's "much more of a myth than truth," with many finding negligible increases or even decreases in performance SlideShareSpotrac.

Methodological Issues:

Studies show vastly different results depending on which performance metrics are used and how they're analyzed. Fixed effects regression (looking at individual player changes) often shows different results than ordinary least squares regression (comparing across players) Contract Year Phenomenon: Myth or Truth? — Hive.

Alternative Explanations:

The timing creates confounding factors - players typically sign major contracts around ages 27-29, which coincides with when many players naturally exit their prime and begin decline, making it difficult to separate contract incentives from age-related performance changes The Contract Year Effect in the NBA | PDF.

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1.

Several academic and economic studies have attempted to quantify the so-called “contract year effect.” The overall takeaway: there is limited or modest evidence of performance improvements, and the effect size is usually small.


  • Stiroh (2007, Journal of Sports Economics) analyzed NBA players and found no strong evidence that players improve in contract years. Performance seemed to follow normal variation, not strategic effort changes.
  • Mazza (2015) used regression analysis and found some evidence of increases in playing time and scoring, but not across all metrics. Defensive metrics and team outcomes didn’t show consistent improvement.
  • Berri and Krautmann (2006) also found only modest gains, often offset by declines the following year (post-contract letdown).

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  • FiveThirtyEight (2016) and The Ringer (2020) analyzed performance using advanced stats like PER, WS/48, and BPM. Their conclusion: no systematic or league-wide boost in performance during contract years.
  • Some analysts have noted that certain high-profile players (e.g., James Harden, Montrezl Harrell) showed notable contract-year improvement—but these are anecdotal and not representative.

3. Players in contract years might get more minutes, take more shots, or be showcased by teams looking to trade or re-sign them.​

  • Contract-year incentives vary—rookie contracts, veterans, max contract seekers all face different dynamics.
  • Effort ≠ results: Even if players try harder, performance metrics don’t always reflect that due to factors like team role, opposition, or variance in shooting percentages.


Bottom Line:​


The "contract year boost" is more anecdotal than statistically grounded. While some players may individually raise their performance, the aggregate data doesn’t support a significant or consistent league-wide effect.


If you’re hearing it repeated as a given truth, it’s largely sports folklore, not rigorous evidence.
 
infection said:
I'd be careful on that. Us landing AJ or Boozer would further fuel conspiracy theories of it being rigged. After all the talk about it this year, the only option they have next year is to prove to everyone that it's not rigged by rigging it against us.
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Why would us landing AJ or Boozer fuel conspiracy theories? If anything, it would do the opposite, as nobody outside Utah cares about the Jazz, and we're certainly not a team the NBA FO wants to promote for ratings and media eyeballs. There's little incentive from where I sit to rig the game in Utah's favor. Or am I misunderstanding you?

I don't get all these conspiracy theories around the lottery. Low probability events are low probability, but they happen, and they do so frequently.
 
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