Jazz trade Olynyk and Ochai to Toronto for Kira Lewis, Otto Porter, and a 2024 1st round pick

[Tremendous Upside]

This summer, when Clarkson’s contract shrinks to $14 mil, it becomes significantly easier to find a dance partner - either in the off season or next trade deadline.

I'm aware of this.

Nevertheless, we heard from numerous "sources" that there were quite a few teams after him in recent weeks. They even went into detail about the supposed Knicks deal and JC himself apparently "welcomed" such a trade.

It's fair to ask if Danny got greedy in the end, and as a consequence, we now have a guy on the roster who knows he's not wanted, has no real role, is having a terrible season and is probably gone soon anyway. Do you play such a guy?

As AlaskanAssassin asked... what's the plan?

 

[sip]

We already have an early second from Simone's deal. There's literally zero need to buy this sucky late first. We have two rookies that aren't getting any minutes. Do we really need more? Ochai at least was a serviceable rotation piece and we just traded him for "prospects" who will be lucky to even crack the rotation like...Ochai?

If we didn't do the Simone deal then KO/Ochai deal would make a bit more sense. But we simply oversold this trade deadline

You really like to complain. The reality is that these 2 deals combined likely help us keep our own draft pick and to clear minutes for the 2 rookies that you say aren't getting minutes. With the 2 acquired picks odds are we use at least one of them in another deal.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm aware of this.

Nevertheless, we heard from numerous "sources" that there were quite a few teams after him in recent weeks. They even went into detail about the supposed Knicks deal and JC himself apparently "welcomed" such a trade.

It's fair to ask if Danny got greedy in the end, and as a consequence, we now have a guy on the roster who knows he's not wanted, has no real role, is having a terrible season and is probably gone soon anyway. Do you play such a guy?

As AlaskanAssassin asked... what's the plan?

That's a possibility. Of course it's the possibility you gravitate towards.

Could be Clarkson is happy to stay and feels valued because the jazz wanted too much for him

Or other possibilities

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[Flc]

I'm aware of this.

Nevertheless, we heard from numerous "sources" that there were quite a few teams after him in recent weeks. They even went into detail about the supposed Knicks deal and JC himself apparently "welcomed" such a trade.

It's fair to ask if Danny got greedy in the end, and as a consequence, we now have a guy on the roster who knows he's not wanted, has no real role, is having a terrible season and is probably gone soon anyway. Do you play such a guy?

As AlaskanAssassin asked... what's the plan?

You need to learn about smokescreens. There were a bunch of rumors about the Jazz being in on Murray and they never even made an offer. The Jazz will be subject to a lot of rumors because of their asset collection.

But yes, Danny is greedy. He knows he can get a first round pick for Clarkson and he’s going to wait until he does.

Save your maudlin hyperventilating for Clarkson expiring 2.5 years from now without having been dealt for a first rounder. Right now it’s premature.

The plan is to build a championship caliber team, which you can’t do with replacement level players on long-term deals - but that doesn’t mean you can’t wait for the right deal.

 

[Flc]

This is such basic team building 101 in regard to salary management that I’m stunned that you don’t get it. The local and national journalists and aggregators seem to understand, and—while I have questions sometimes—you’re at least basically literate. Go forth, young Upside, and read.

Read until you understand.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

You need to learn about smokescreens. There were a bunch of rumors about the Jazz being in on Murray and they never even made an offer.

That's not what I meant. If you'd read my earlier posts, you'd know that IMO Clarkson hasn't had a real market at any stage. Not last season, not this season. And he most certainly won't bring back a FRP.

It's possible that the Knicks were somewhat ready to pull the trigger this time, but we'll probably never know what happened there, nor will we know what the deal was going to be like.

The whole Clarkson situation is just weird. For a player who's been publicly dangled every season, they sure like playing him a lot. I just think it's unwise... pick a lane. Stuff like this gives the impression that you're just making it up as you go along, which isn't ideal when you're trying to lure free agents as well.

 

[Flc]

It’s Danny Ainge, dude. Thinking he’s making it up as he goes is ridiculous. It’s like you’re j’accusing LeBron of not learning plays or watching tape.

As for Clarkson, other GMs knows he goes down to 14 this summer too.

This has been reported by Tony Jones who has Zanik on speed dial.
You don’t even have an Athletic subscription.

Who should we believe?

 

[JazzMan4Life]

I love that all of your posts match your Eeyore.

Our bet was only for a week, but he's kept it for a couple years now. I respect it.

 

[Fosto]

Okay it's over. Good night.

 

[HermanG]

I'm aware of this.

Nevertheless, we heard from numerous "sources" that there were quite a few teams after him in recent weeks. They even went into detail about the supposed Knicks deal and JC himself apparently "welcomed" such a trade.

It's fair to ask if Danny got greedy in the end, and as a consequence, we now have a guy on the roster who knows he's not wanted, has no real role, is having a terrible season and is probably gone soon anyway. Do you play such a guy?

As AlaskanAssassin asked... what's the plan?

This to me is the most puzzling thing. THT is riding the pine with an expiring deal and we didnt touch the guard room at all. I have to assume DA got greedy and thought he will get more out of JC next offseason... but I think in the big picture keeping Simone and trading away JC for something like what we got for Simone would have given him a much better grade for his moves.

I mean trading only JC out of those two would have been the best, trading both would have been ok, but depleting the roster from off ball wings while keeping all dribble happy wings (who are now also kinda obligated to get minutes) creates big fit issues for Hardy.

 

[hgb]

This.

There's literally no point at all for him to be on the roster.

Maybe it's because we still want to be competitive, we plan on giving up the pick to OKC, but we're also not really thinking playoffs this year.

 

[HermanG]

Maybe it's because we still want to be competitive, we plan on giving up the pick to OKC, but we're also not really thinking playoffs this year.

I think we really just didnt get a package that DA wanted. Whether it was him being too greedy or not actually depends on what they end up getting for him in the offseason.

For this second half of the season, I'm not sure which route gives us better chances to get to the play-in/playoffs. JC has had a lot of negative impact games, albeit he has also won us a few games in between his bad stretches.