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Jazzfanz BIG BOARD rankings ROUND 11

If all of these players were available who would you want The Jazz to pick?

  • Avery Bradley

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Damion James

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Daniel Orton

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ed Davis

    Votes: 10 20.8%
  • Gordon Hayward

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • Hassan Whiteside

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Larry Sanders

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Luke Babbit

    Votes: 15 31.3%
  • Patrick Patterson

    Votes: 8 16.7%
  • Paul George

    Votes: 4 8.3%

  • Total voters
    48
I can see why some people would vote for Whiteside if they want a young center . . . Davis for a young high potential inside guy . . . Patterson for a more proven 4 . . . but Babbit is ridiculous with what is left on the board. Babbit and George are both 3s yet George has a better all around game. If you want a 3 vote for George. It just depends on what you want.

How is Babbitt ridiculous?

George scored 16.8 points per game on 42.4% from the floor and 35.3% from three. He was great at the line at 90.9%, grabbed 7.2 rebounds, dished out 3.0 assists, and had 2.2 steals, 0.8 blocks and 3.4 turnovers per game.

Babbitt is a month younger, scored 21.9 points per game on 50.0% from the floor and 41.6% from three. He shot 91.7% from the line, grabbed 8.9 rebounds per game and committed just 2.4 turnovers per game. He's better in every stat listed thus far. He blocked shots at the same rate of 0.8 per contest. He's outdone only in assists with 2.1 per and steals with 1.0 per.

So explain to me how Babbitt is ridiculous?
 
I can almost guarantee if Babbitt was black, people would absolutely love him. Seriously, his stats and measurements are quite similar to Wesley Johnson.
 
How is Babbitt ridiculous?

George scored 16.8 points per game on 42.4% from the floor and 35.3% from three. He was great at the line at 90.9%, grabbed 7.2 rebounds, dished out 3.0 assists, and had 2.2 steals, 0.8 blocks and 3.4 turnovers per game.

Babbitt is a month younger, scored 21.9 points per game on 50.0% from the floor and 41.6% from three. He shot 91.7% from the line, grabbed 8.9 rebounds per game and committed just 2.4 turnovers per game. He's better in every stat listed thus far. He blocked shots at the same rate of 0.8 per contest. He's outdone only in assists with 2.1 per and steals with 1.0 per.

So explain to me how Babbitt is ridiculous?

Exactly - Babbitt is superior in nearly ever production category and they played in the same league, but somehow it would be ridiculous to take Babbitt over George and George clearly has a better all-around game. A great assessment on default's part, to be sure.
 
I can almost guarantee if Babbitt was black, people would absolutely love him. Seriously, his stats and measurements are quite similar to Wesley Johnson.

Babbit isn't as quick or explosive as Johnson. His athleticism may not translate to high impact in the pro game. I like Babbit, George and Whiteside. Went with Whiteside for about the 3rd time now. I think Ed is the new Antonio Davis, which is nice, but he's going to need to work hard to be a real impact player. Until then I see him as just nominally better than Millsap at best, kind of like Udoh.
 
Babbit isn't as quick or explosive as Johnson. His athleticism may not translate to high impact in the pro game. I like Babbit, George and Whiteside. Went with Whiteside for about the 3rd time now. I think Ed is the new Antonio Davis, which is nice, but he's going to need to work hard to be a real impact player. Until then I see him as just nominally better than Millsap at best, kind of like Udoh.

I can't sit here and say you're wrong. In fact, I believe you're right. But by very little.

Babbitt actually had a better vert and was quicker in the agility drill. Johnson was faster in the sprint. And in game footage (yes, yes I know, but that's all I have of Babbitt), I think he looks damn explosive. I'm not hoping to see it either. It's just there. It's not Joe Alexander whose explosiveness was more a result of his overall strength/lifting. It's pure fast twitch fibers in my opinion.
 
Davis. I could warm up to Babbitt, but at the 9th spot I'm completely prejudiced against small school players. There are exceptions I guess, but Gayward Honzward would not be one of those exceptions. Babbitt could be because of the athleticism and the shooting, but Nevada? Why does a McDonald's All American choose Nevada? Yeah, he's from there. But it's still freaking Nevada. It's like he didn't want to leave his mom. There's just something about him that totally bugs me.
 
I can't sit here and say you're wrong. In fact, I believe you're right. But by very little.

Babbitt actually had a better vert and was quicker in the agility drill. Johnson was faster in the sprint. And in game footage (yes, yes I know, but that's all I have of Babbitt), I think he looks damn explosive. I'm not hoping to see it either. It's just there. It's not Joe Alexander whose explosiveness was more a result of his overall strength/lifting. It's pure fast twitch fibers in my opinion.

I think you make a good point. I'm looking at old video of players like Kobe, Garnett, Amare, Shaq, etc. in high school, and you could see even back then they had 'fast-twitch' athleticism. The ability to make explosive moves, change direction quickly, finish a play with really quick, crisp moves, etc. The stars all had this ability from the start. Babbit does have some of this.

All the pro players are good athletes, but the best players can play at a whole other speed and make crisp plays. This is what separates the stars from the role players. John Wall obviously has it. So does Favors. So does Cousins too, but he's carrying too much weight (which makes me compare him to a bigger version of Charles Barkley). The question with players in our range, like George, Babbit, Henry, and Whiteside--all players who look like they could be game-changing athletes--is whether they have this explosive quickness. It's hard to tell in workouts, because it seems like everyone is basically pacing themselves and cruising. You're right that some of Babbit's footage from college looks pretty good.

It's also possible to train for speed and coordination--the high-twitch effect. For example, Dennis Rodman used to do aerobics and agility drills that enabled him to simply get to rebounds before everyone else. So this goes back to how hard a player wants to work.

Another thing to consider is the players' "ground game." I know everyone likes to focus on how well players jump and extend vertically, but a lot of the game is actually about moving low and moving in all directions on the court. Bryon Russel was not a great leaper necessarily, and neither was Karl Malone, but both players had a great ground game. They were very efficient in their movement and could cover a lot of ground very quickly. By comparison, David Benoit could jump and extend as well as any player on the Jazz, but he didn't move very well and didn't impact the game as much.
 
Luke freakin' Babbitt plays for NEVADA, can you say the second coming of Nick Fazekas!

Luke Babbitt = Nick Fazekas

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