Jazzfanz Mock Draft 2015: Pick #12

[DForceAUS]

I have a gut feeling trade down or out for a more established player like when Booker came here.

 

[LogGrad98]

I am so underwhelmed at this point in the draft. The guys we have put on our big board leading up to this are not superstars by any stretch. What we are looking at here would be late first round picks in a better draft class (like Deron's or even last year). I really hope we deal this and get a solid vet or 2.

 

[LogGrad98]

Here is the knock on Kaminsky for me. He is a senior, so largely what you see is what you get. I know players develop beyond that, but the real knock is he doesn't have the athletic chops to stand in the NBA. I think he will get repeatedly rolled on defense but faster stronger players. He has a nice offensive game, but I also think against elite defense that will drop off, and since he doesn't have the physical tools to overcome that he will get squashed. I am probably wrong about all this, but that is how I see it. He has a lot of the same downsides as Morrison, and same upsides as well.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Here is the knock on Kaminsky for me. He is a senior, so largely what you see is what you get. I know players develop beyond that, but the real knock is he doesn't have the athletic chops to stand in the NBA. I think he will get repeatedly rolled on defense but faster stronger players. He has a nice offensive game, but I also think against elite defense that will drop off, and since he doesn't have the physical tools to overcome that he will get squashed. I am probably wrong about all this, but that is how I see it. He has a lot of the same downsides as Morrison, and same upsides as well.

The way I see it regardless of who we draft we are drafting a bench player therefor he won't be playing against elite defenders.

Memo
Dirk
Anderson
Kanter
Gasol bros

Just to name a few of those who don't or didn't rely on great athletic ability. Fact is Kaminsky has an elite offensive skill set that adds a new dimension to the Jazz that allows us to be even harder to defend not to mention his will to win and bball IQ.

Why Kaminsky's lack of athletic ability isn't a liability.

Great footwork
At 7-1 has great mobility
Very quick shot
Great handles, great face up game can shoot over the top of defenders
Has a variety of moves in the post.
Great passer in the post
Great IQ

 

[Jeffrey32]

Safe pick is "Frank the Bank" as he fits perfectly into a three-man big rotation with Favors and Gobert and can play right away, but if Turner slips to #12, he becomes tough to pass up as his ceiling is so high. At #12, especially with the youth foundation the Jazz already have, they can take a risk because the pay off would be huge. Supposedly Turner interviewed very well and is a good character guy, which is always important to Utah. He had a very inconsistent season with a poor showings in his last eight games. Not sure if it was injury (which is a concern for him) or other. He is an 84% free throw shooter, which is huge for a 7-footer. If Utah passes and takes Frank or someone else, I think PHX or OKC jump on Turner immediately. I'd be happy with either pick, but Frank's ceiling is probably Ryan Anderson or Okur and Turner's is Aldridge with better defense and Rasheed Wallace witha better attitude.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Here is the knock on Kaminsky for me. He is a senior, so largely what you see is what you get. I know players develop beyond that, but the real knock is he doesn't have the athletic chops to stand in the NBA. I think he will get repeatedly rolled on defense but faster stronger players. He has a nice offensive game, but I also think against elite defense that will drop off, and since he doesn't have the physical tools to overcome that he will get squashed. I am probably wrong about all this, but that is how I see it. He has a lot of the same downsides as Morrison, and same upsides as well.

I never understand the "senior" knock as up until around 10 years ago most players, especially those in the 80s and 90s who are considered many of the greatest ever, were all juniors and seniors when entering the NBA and most of them improved over their careers. Are you telling me that Karl Malone who came in as a junior didn't improve from his rookie season?

 

[LogGrad98]

The way I see it regardless of who we draft we are drafting a bench player therefor he won't be playing against elite defenders.

Memo
Dirk
Anderson
Kanter
Gasol bros

Just to name a few of those who don't or didn't rely on great athletic ability. Fact is Kaminsky has an elite offensive skill set that adds a new dimension to the Jazz that allows us to be even harder to defend not to mention his will to win and bball IQ.

Why Kaminsky's lack of athletic ability isn't a liability.

Great footwork
At 7-1 has great mobility
Very quick shot
Great handles, great face up game can shoot over the top of defenders
Has a variety of moves in the post.
Great passer in the post
Great IQ

I never understand the "senior" knock as up until around 10 years ago most players, especially those in the 80s and 90s who are considered many of the greatest ever, were all juniors and seniors when entering the NBA and most of them improved over their careers. Are you telling me that Karl Malone who came in as a junior didn't improve from his rookie season?

You all are seriously comparing a guy who would probably be a 20+ pick in a stronger draft to Malone, Dirk, and the Gasol brothers?


Oooookay.

Enjoy the koolaid.

 

[silesian]

I never understand the "senior" knock as up until around 10 years ago most players, especially those in the 80s and 90s who are considered many of the greatest ever, were all juniors and seniors when entering the NBA and most of them improved over their careers. Are you telling me that Karl Malone who came in as a junior didn't improve from his rookie season?

World is completely different from 10 years ago. Karl Malone and the all-time greats from the 80s and 90s would be in draft after freshman season.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

You all are seriously comparing a guy who would probably be a 20+ pick in a stronger draft to Malone, Dirk, and the Gasol brothers?


Oooookay.

Enjoy the koolaid.

I didn't compare him to anyone. Just showing that bigs don't need to be athletic to succeed in the NBA


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[Thee Jazz Fan]

You all are seriously comparing a guy who would probably be a 20+ pick in a stronger draft to Malone, Dirk, and the Gasol brothers?


Oooookay.

Enjoy the koolaid.

Did u even read mine and Jeffery's posts or did u just see the names and came to your own conclusions?


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[Doublea]

Come on guys. Turner is the obvious pick. The jazz like defense and scoring and that's what he provides! I would be pretty disappointed if we passed on Turner to pick frank. He has the highest ceiling of players left and could even be in the top 5 of the draft.

 

[Nate505]

Turner, Frank, or Portis are all fine with me. They all bring positives to the table, in theory anyway.