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You’re always going to be playing whack a mole with these posters. No matter what studies, books, videos, evidence you use, they’ll always have another excuse, justification, and reason to whitewash Trump or blame the other side. Daily they move on to justify and excuse the next Trump outrage while always maintaining innocence.
You’re a left wing extremist with anti-American worker views who wants to shame, regulate speech, cancel anyone who you don’t agree with. Again so far left that you can’t even see the middle. Never did I talk about Trump or Kamala, just economic issues. Yet you lump everybody who is not as far left as you as MAGA. No depth again.
 
You’re a left wing extremist with anti-American worker views who wants to shame, regulate speech, cancel anyone who you don’t agree with. Again so far left that you can’t even see the middle. Never did I talk about Trump or Kamala, just economic issues. Yet you lump everybody who is not as far left as you as MAGA. No depth again.
The block function was made for this imbecile
 
Who said anything about retired?

And you seriously need me to go google examples of Trump promising to revive manufacturing, mining, etc?

Come on, let's not insult each other's intelligence here. You know exactly what I'm talking about. You may not agree, but you know I'm not talking about retired men in their 70s or race as divorced from class and economics. Give me a little bit of credit, I'm not exactly new on this forum.

The jobs in question are not jobs the locals want. The locals who are 86% white, according to the 2010 census of the Clark County.
You did. No workers today know about the 70’s era. They are all retired.
How do you know these are jobs are those that no domestic white workers want?
What jobs do domestic white workers want then? Influencers, finance, jobs that make $150k with no work involved? I hire for low skill jobs and there are plenty of white applicants, same with every race.

I mean Thriller thinks immigrants are only for vegetables pickers, food truck workers, housecleaning, retail or any low skilled work, which is completely BS.

Low skilled work are for there for many types of people, kids graduating from High school, in high school, no college, part time, first jobs, out of military, going to college, disabled ect, who all come from different economic and racial backgrounds.

The left all complain about the wealthy making all this money and they are screwing the middle and low class, yet are all cheerleaders for low skilled foreign labor to keep the wages low for everyone. Yet you blame it on race. I even stated in my previous post that the Haitians are being put in an unfortunate situation. It’s not their faults.

What President hasn’t promised things that never happened. You think Trump was the first or last to do this?

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Also 2020 Census before the Haitians started to arrive.
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Remember folks, earlier this week both Trump and Vance had multiple opportunities to articulate plans to help communities like Springfield. Trump’s debate was a disaster and he’s been reeling ever since then. Vance did several interviews where he:

1. Spread racist lies about Haitian immigrants eating dogs.
2. Instructed young parents to find extended family to take care of their children.

Do these guys really have your interests in mind?

Why didn’t Trump help communities like Springfield when he was president? He had control of the senate and house for two years and didn’t pass any infrastructure spending. He did manage to pass tax cuts for billionaires. What’s stopping Vance right now from proposing legislation to help raise the min wage or provide universal care?
 
Remember folks, earlier this week both Trump and Vance had multiple opportunities to articulate plans to help communities like Springfield. Trump’s debate was a disaster and he’s been reeling ever since then. Vance did several interviews where he:

1. Spread racist lies about Haitian immigrants eating dogs.
2. Instructed young parents to find extended family to take care of their children.

Do these guys really have your interests in mind?

Why didn’t Trump help communities like Springfield when he was president? He had control of the senate and house for two years and didn’t pass any infrastructure spending. He did manage to pass tax cuts for billionaires. What’s stopping Vance right now from proposing legislation to help raise the min wage or provide universal care?
It’s 1 issue right now. Pausing immigration to clean up our federal house. Trump and Vance are closer to that than Kamala and Tim.

We can not keep letting in everyone from everywhere. It will never allow our country to get its **** together.

Basic Example:
America has 10 domestic jobless workers that need help and assistance. America has enough resources for 10 workers. 3 jobs become available, which is a competitive market for the business and workers. All 3 businesses want the best from those 10 workers so they increase their offerings to attract them.
Well America decides to let in 6 more foreign workers that all need assistance. But America only has resources for 10 total workers. So they now have to spread the resources over 13 total people resulting is less assistance for all, yet we helped more overall people.
The businesses look to hire those 3 jobs now have more applicants that give them a better chance at getting the 3 of the best workers, so they don’t have to increase their wage offerings.
This continues and continues and then we are in a mess like we are now. Poor infrastructure, low wages, government assistance helping foreign workers over local workers, debt, out of control spending, social class hatred, less opportunities ect.

Pause immigration get the house in order.
 
You did. No workers today know about the 70’s era. They are all retired.
How do you know these are jobs are those that no domestic white workers want?

Because of who and what they vote for. And because of what you can see happening all around you, including in Springfield. Look at who won the county, and all those surrounding rural counties in 2020.

There was no conspiracy to bring thousands of Haitians to Springfield, Ohio. There was no conspiracy involved to keep locals from working at these businesses that employ Haitians. Ohio has a Republican governor, and a General Assembly where Republicans make up 2/3 of both houses. The state minimum wage was not set by Kamala or Joe Biden. If locals(again they're predominantly white, much as you try to argue otherwise) wanted to work under the conditions Haitians are working, they would.

Of course, you're going to say that if somehow Haitians weren't "brought in," then wages would be higher. There is absolutely nothing stopping the legislature or the governor from increasing the minimum wage. They have a supermajority, they can pass what they want. Remember, they were elected and keep getting elected by the very people you are saying are being screwed here. More controversially, there is absolutely nothing stopping the local for working for the same wages Haitian immigrants are working for. The one thing we haven't heard during this story is that Haitians are starving or unable to live on these wages.

You don't have to like globalization, the way it was implemented, or its consequences. I sure have serious issues with a lot of it. We can't undo it, though. All we can do is try to fix the problems that were created with what we have right now in 2024. Yes, politicians promise things, but they promise things because people want to hear those things. That's how you can tell what people want. Politicians, especially ones from the two main parties, aren't so stupid as to promise things no one wants.

We can argue here about the details, and you can keep asking how I know things as if polls aren't done or studies aren't done all the time, and you can make me dig up scholarly articles from 2016 showing why Trump voters voted for Trump, but this all boils down to a simple reality.

It's 2024, and you're just not going to be able to have a high school diploma and own a detached house in a nice suburb with a couple of cars in the garage. Not in a society where almost 2/5 of working Americans have a college degree. It just isn't 1970 anymore.

And there are ways to fix things, there are ways to make things better, but the people in question do not want any of those solutions. They oppose unions, they oppose increases to minimum wage, they oppose student loan forgiveness. They oppose retraining and they don't want jobs in education or health care. They are against every realistic path to a higher income bracket, and they remained angry they're not in that bracket.

And it becomes the fault of everyone then. Immigrants, college-graduates, gays, Jews, you name it.
 
It’s 1 issue right now. Pausing immigration to clean up our federal house. Trump and Vance are closer to that than Kamala and Tim.

We can not keep letting in everyone from everywhere. It will never allow our country to get its **** together.

Basic Example:
America has 10 domestic jobless workers that need help and assistance. America has enough resources for 10 workers. 3 jobs become available, which is a competitive market for the business and workers. All 3 businesses want the best from those 10 workers so they increase their offerings to attract them.
Well America decides to let in 6 more foreign workers that all need assistance. But America only has resources for 10 total workers. So they now have to spread the resources over 13 total people resulting is less assistance for all, yet we helped more overall people.
The businesses look to hire those 3 jobs now have more applicants that give them a better chance at getting the 3 of the best workers, so they don’t have to increase their wage offerings.
This continues and continues and then we are in a mess like we are now. Poor infrastructure, low wages, government assistance helping foreign workers over local workers, debt, out of control spending, social class hatred, less opportunities ect.

Pause immigration get the house in order.
I think there are some false assumptions about the immigrants here.

First, immigrants increase the overall size of the economy. They consume food, electricity, housing, etc., and they typically work. They don't simply need assistance. If I need to I'll try to find it, but there was a large study done of an area that had relatively large immigration and ultimately wages didn't go down, unemployment didn't go up. Immigrants don't just take from the economy, they become part of it just like all the rest of us.

In your example there are 10 domestic jobless people. Now there are 6 immigrants. Well one of the immigrants opens a auto shop, hires the other 5 immigrants, continues to grow and ends up hiring a few of those domestic folks looking for a job. Didn't need any assistance. That's an actual possibility, but people are acting like we're just getting a bunch of people here with their hands out. They can't do anything for us, they can't do anything for themselves, they just suck the life out of our economy. They are like a big wet blanket that descends on our communities. That's not what happens.
 
Did I State it was Kamala? Did I state it was a car? Yes 20k came in a 3-4 year period.

Did this town of 58k handle an influx of 1/3 population growth in 3 years?

So do you agree that foreign workers should be prioritized over domestic labor?

You didn’t argue my points rather tried to criticize the way I phrased it.
I was commenting on the tweet that was in your post. That's what they said. Kamala dumped 20k immigrants there illegally. See, hard to think rationally about stuff when you get panicked about it.
 
Great post!

Because of who and what they vote for. And because of what you can see happening all around you, including in Springfield. Look at who won the county, and all those surrounding rural counties in 2020.
Many people had more during the Trump years and they are remember it. Remember Springfield is not an affluent city, so inflation has hurt the lower income population.
There was no conspiracy to bring thousands of Haitians to Springfield, Ohio. There was no conspiracy involved to keep locals from working at these businesses that employ Haitians. Ohio has a Republican governor, and a General Assembly where Republicans make up 2/3 of both houses. The state minimum wage was not set by Kamala or Joe Biden. If locals(again they're predominantly white, much as you try to argue otherwise) wanted to work under the conditions Haitians are working, they would.
Where the jobs offered to locals or did they have a plan, that they got immigration lawyers and others together to get foreign workers brought in?

Of course, you're going to say that if somehow Haitians weren't "brought in," then wages would be higher. There is absolutely nothing stopping the legislature or the governor from increasing the minimum wage. They have a supermajority, they can pass what they want. Remember, they were elected and keep getting elected by the very people you are saying are being screwed here.
Why does the government need to force the minimum wage to increase when the market can drive up the wages on its own. A gluttony of low skilled labor comes into a town, that will force the wages to stay at minimum wage. Now, you want the government to increase the wages with force because of the original issue which the government created kept the wages low?

More controversially, there is absolutely nothing stopping the local for working for the same wages Haitian immigrants are working for. The one thing we haven't heard during this story is that Haitians are starving or unable to live on these wages.
Are the Haitians getting government assistance?
"People covered by Temporary Protected Status are entitled by law to receive health and nutrition benefits as well as other public benefits, such as food stamps."
All the way to February 2026.

You don't have to like globalization, the way it was implemented, or its consequences. I sure have serious issues with a lot of it. We can't undo it, though. All we can do is try to fix the problems that were created with what we have right now in 2024. Yes, politicians promise things, but they promise things because people want to hear those things. That's how you can tell what people want. Politicians, especially ones from the two main parties, aren't so stupid as to promise things no one wants.
Agreed.

We can argue here about the details, and you can keep asking how I know things as if polls aren't done or studies aren't done all the time, and you can make me dig up scholarly articles from 2016 showing why Trump voters voted for Trump, but this all boils down to a simple reality.

It's 2024, and you're just not going to be able to have a high school diploma and own a detached house in a nice suburb with a couple of cars in the garage. Not in a society where almost 2/5 of working Americans have a college degree. It just isn't 1970 anymore.
Agreed again.

And there are ways to fix things, there are ways to make things better, but the people in question do not want any of those solutions. They oppose unions, they oppose increases to minimum wage, they oppose student loan forgiveness. They oppose retraining and they don't want jobs in education or health care. They are against every realistic path to a higher income bracket, and they remained angry they're not in that bracket.

And it becomes the fault of everyone then. Immigrants, college-graduates, gays, Jews, you name it.
Not blaming the Immigrants. They are doing what they need to do to get ahead. I am arguing for Americans. Not all citizens will try to move up to higher income brackets, but Americans can lose opportunities if you bring in an excessive amount of competition.

Again, great post, I appreciate the your response and views.
 
I think there are some false assumptions about the immigrants here.
Solid post and I do agree with a lot that you are saying. Especially growing the economy and naturally adding jobs and wages.
First, immigrants increase the overall size of the economy.
Agreed
They consume food, electricity, housing, etc., and they typically work.
Agreed and try to work, correct. Which again, Im not faulting them at all, this is not on them. They are wanting to get a head and there is a lot of honor in that.
They don't simply need assistance. If I need to I'll try to find it, but there was a large study done of an area that had relatively large immigration and ultimately wages didn't go down, unemployment didn't go up. Immigrants don't just take from the economy, they become part of it just like all the rest of us.
Is it legal immigration or illegal immigration? Is it when they bring over need based immigrants or a large amount of similar low skilled labor?

In your example there are 10 domestic jobless people. Now there are 6 immigrants.
Well one of the immigrants opens a auto shop,
This is a low skilled immigrant that doesn't have the funds to start anything, like majority of the illegal immigrants I'm talking about.
hires the other 5 immigrants, continues to grow and ends up hiring a few of those domestic folks looking for a job. Didn't need any assistance.
Again, this is low skilled labor, are you saying they came over, had housing in place, funds coming in and paid for medical insurance?
That's an actual possibility, but people are acting like we're just getting a bunch of people here with their hands out. They can't do anything for us, they can't do anything for themselves, they just suck the life out of our economy. They are like a big wet blanket that descends on our communities. That's not what happens.
This is what happens, when you take a majority of low skilled labor. If 3 millions doctors crossed the border and settled here, what do you think would happen the medical field? What do you think would happen to American Doctors? What do you think would happen with the 3 millions doctors where there are no jobs for them and they don't have the money to start practices?

Im not anti-immigration, even though my posts might sound like it some times. I fully believe that we need to pause adding anymore people, see what we have, what we need to do to help everyone out who is there, get our house in order and then resume need based immigration. We need 500k people the following year in low skilled labor, let's get them in. We need 30k nurses, let's go get them.
 
Why does the government need to force the minimum wage to increase when the market can drive up the wages on its own. A gluttony of low skilled labor comes into a town, that will force the wages to stay at minimum wage. Now, you want the government to increase the wages with force because of the original issue which the government created kept the wages low?
But this isn't how the market works at all. Nor did the government create the initial issue.

For one, the market may not simply drive wages up, but rather force those companies to leave. In a globalized economy, those factories and plants don't need to be in Springfield. They don't even need to be in the US, and Canada is just a couple of hundred kilometres from Springfield. Not just any Canada either, but the part with all the people.

And again, the government didn't create this. You could argue the companies in question did by hiring cheaper labour, but labour follows jobs. If the factories were opened elsewhere, the immigrants would go to those places.

Remember that the reason these companies moved into Springfield was that the local government was desperately trying to attract them and revitalized the place. This is a city that's been steadily losing population over the past 50 years. I'm sure the companies were offered something by the city to move to that area, but then if that didn't happen, there would still be no jobs for the locals.

I get that you think the ideal situation would have been for all these companies to come into Springfield, only hire locals at high wages, and do all this out of the goodness of their hearts, but it's not realistic. Huge swathes of the country are demographically and economically dying, and people are upset about anything that even remotely helps improve that.

I mean, what are you suggesting should've been done here since you didn't want Haitians in? How can Springfield gain jobs and population and expanding its tax base without this?


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JD on CNN's State of The Union yesterday:

“The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes. If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do, Dana, because you guys are completely letting Kamala Harris coast.”
 
He has stated that he thinks that there are risks associated with the COVID-19 vaccine and that for certain people the risk may outweigh the benefit of taking it. For instance 19 year old athletes in good overall health probably shouldn't take it.

lol thank you I have never understood how what i said is such a hard concept to grasp whether you agree or disagree. Although reading comprehension is an issue for certain mouth breathers here.
 
ahhhh Thriller You intellectual and moral coward.

"During covid he was one of the chief disinformation gas bags on this website. I think he went through the entire gambit of quack treatments. Basically anything unsupported by science by crapped out by weirdo online influencers he became a proponent of. Posters like that shouldn't be insulting the intelligence of others, especially their superiors"


please provide one post related to any of this BS to support your hysterical lies

or apologise

or even better just STFU you utterly contemptible clown


"their superiors"

lolololololol
 
JD on CNN's State of The Union yesterday:

“The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes. If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do, Dana, because you guys are completely letting Kamala Harris coast.”
It should be repeated that lying about a group of people you hate as an excuse to politicize something you think will help you, isn’t good.

What’s JD Vance doing right now to improve the lives of people in Ohio? He’s a senator right now. What has he done since winning election to improve the lives of those in Springfield?
 
JD on CNN's State of The Union yesterday:

“The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes. If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do, Dana, because you guys are completely letting Kamala Harris coast.”

odd way to spin getting caught out talking rubbish
 
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