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Brilliant. Either Hopper is troll'n or he's just plain dumb as a pitchfork. Which is it, eh?

Just for you, just this once, Imma explain it for ya, eh, Vinny?

1. I ax Mo a question
2. Kicky comes bustin in, tryin to answer for her
3. He makes some dubious assertions and pronounces some unsupportable conclusions
4. He then "complains" and ends up tellin me I shouldn't be "arguin" when he done started the argument with 2. & 3.
5. When I point out that he's the one who started it, he tells me I shouldn't be talkin to Mo to begin with, but says I should discuss it wit Mo in private messages, if I don't want him buttin in (a complete non sequitur).

In effect, he's complainin that I talked to Mo at all. But, barrin that, he wants to keep it all hid and complains because I didn't talk to Mo privately. Not that such a complaint makes any real sense, but, still....
 
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Note: I moved this to the Site Issues forum because that seems to be what the discussion is about. I left a redirect in the original forum so those who want to find it are able to. If the other mods feel it should be moved back, feel free to do so.

Just for you, just this once, Imma explain it for ya, eh, Vinny?

1. I ax Mo a question
2. Kicky comes bustin in, tryin to answer for her
3. He makes some dubious assertions and pronounces some unsupportable conclusions
4. He then "complains" and ends up tellin me I shouldn't be "arguin" when he done started the argument with 2. & 3.
5. When I point out that he's the one who started it, he tells me I shouldn't be talkin to Mo to begin with, but says I should discuss it wit Mo in private messages, if I don't want him buttin in (a complete non sequitur).

In effect, he's complainin that I talked to Mo at all. But, barrin that, he wants to keep it all hid and complains because I didn't talk to Mo privately. Not that such a complaint makes any real sense, but, still....

First of all, I don't think Kicky is/was complaining that you talked to me. And I certainly don't think he was trying to answer for me. He was offering his own opinion, period. I intentionally felt this discussion should be public, and not limited to PM's, because I wanted other mods to feel free to comment and add their input. It's not a unilateral task as you know.

And because the "definition" of trolling is subjective, I thought it might be helpful to have a more open discussion so other posters could also hopefully have a better understanding of how the mods look at things. The more everyone understands the rules, the better the experience is for all of us.

If you want some sort of explanation of why repeated posts interfere with the readability of the board, I'll offer one:
Posters have the option of putting other posters on ignore when they find his/her posts to be objectionable and they don't want to see them. OK, fine, so far so good. But when a poster who is on my ignore list, makes repeated consecutive posts, it makes it really difficult for me to follow what others have posted in the thread. In other words, even though the poster is on ignore, his/her manner of posting is still making the board difficult to read. OR, even if a poster is not on my official "ignore" list, but I generally try and skip over his/her posts because they annoy me, it makes it much more difficult to follow the thread if there are numerous consecutive posts by that person, and I'm trying to skip over them.


Finally, I think there are any number of comments by other posters that are highly inappropriate and violate any number of the rules of the forum.
 
But when a poster who is on my ignore list, makes repeated consecutive posts, it makes it really difficult for me to follow what others have posted in the thread. In other words, even though the poster is on ignore, his/her manner of posting is still making the board difficult to read.

1. How does it make it "really difficult" to follow anything, Mo? I just can't understand that, neither can Eric, for another that I know of.

2. Is this just "some sort of explanation" that you are "offering," or is it one that you, personally, sincerely think identifies a clear "evil" and justifies the prohibition of that "evil," on pain of eventual banishment?

Finally, I think there are any number of comments by other posters that are highly inappropriate and violate any number of the rules of the forum.

Is this just an aside, or does it have something to do with the explanation you offered above?
 
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. First of all, I don't think Kicky is/was complaining that you talked to me.

I dunno, Mo, but that's the way it sounded to me:

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No, you're trying to get a second opinion by shopping for a different set of moderators and you're asking her a question in her capacity as a moderator.... Your recourse is Jason or colton. Not me, not moe, not the moderator that you asked for clarification.

In any event, that's not the question I initially asked, which you have now kinda skipped over. Are you going to address that question?
 
My question is basically this: When YOU voted to give me a warning, did YOU think that I was being warned not to make "five posts in a row" in the circumstances which led to the issuance of this particular infraction?

in answer to your (much) earlier question, YES, I emphatically did feel that part of what you were being warned against was the habit of making repeated, consecutive posts. If you want to make your own rules, pay for a premium account and have your own forum. It really doesn't cost much.

1. How does it make it "really difficult" to follow anything, Mo? I just can't understand that, neither can Eric, for another that I know of.

It makes it difficult for me to find the posts that I AM interested in reading, particularly if they're not particularly lengthy posts. All I see are repeated posts that I'm trying to ignore (or if you're on my "ignore list" I get repeated posts to that effect). The end result is that the board is difficult for me to read.

I don't know if what I've said is going to make sense to you. Even if it does, my guess would be that you're going to come up with more questions. But I'll tell you something, I'm starting to feel like I'm just spinning my wheels here, and it's getting annoying to me. So don't count on getting any more questions answered by me at this point in time. I feel I've invested as much time in this topic as I care to for now.
 
...it's getting annoying to me. So don't count on getting any more questions answered by me at this point in time. I feel I've invested as much time in this topic as I care to for now.

OK, Mo, I respect that. Let me offer my apologies for annoying and inconveniencing you so badly by responding to posts and asking questions.
 
But I'll tell you something, I'm starting to feel like I'm just spinning my wheels here, and it's getting annoying to me. So don't count on getting any more questions answered by me at this point in time. I feel I've invested as much time in this topic as I care to for now.

OK, Mo, I respect that. Let me offer my apologies for annoying and inconveniencing you so badly by responding to posts and asking questions

no need to apologize. it sounds kind of snide anyhow. what gets especially annoying - or perhaps tiring is a better way to put it - is that it seems there's never going to be an answer that satisfies you.

once again: I'm starting to feel like I'm just spinning my wheels.
 
Look at Taint go -- he's officially annoyed one of his FEW supporters into submission by being the obnoxious *** hat that we've all grown to despise. Way to go, Taint, er, OneBrow.

I'm starting to think that maybe Write4u isn't as psycho as we all thought.
 
I personally think this could have been handled a lot better than it was. It was like a bad PR campaign gone terrible wrong.
 
Mo, sometimes I actually ask questions just to try to understand the thought process that led a person to a given conclusion. But not everyone likes to do that, let alone "debate" an issue. When it comes to this kinda thing, I have found that people generally more or less fall into one of 3 categories:

1. People who welcome questions, and enjoy responding to them, even if just for the sake of the discussion and for the opportunity to better identify and elucidate their own reasoning process for themselves,

2. People who really neither welcome nor attempt to deter questions, but who feel it's a waste to spend very much time explaining their thought processes to someone else, and

3. People who almost resent being asked questions, and see it as some kinda discourteous imposition on them.

People who are in category 1 have trouble understanding/relating to people in category 3 (and vice versa, it works both ways).

No one is either right or wrong about this. People are just different, that's all. Sometimes just understanding the other person's preferences helps stop the interactions from becoming too annoying for anyone involved.
 
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