Jimmy Butler

[prodigy]

I like him but they are going to ask for all star value/potential in return, we'd probably have to give up a Hayward+Gobert+picks. I'd be surprised if they let us keep Gobert

Think that's asking too much well Butler is a two time all star who is just hitting his prime. No one on the jazz has hit that level yet.

 

[Eminence]

Don't think we can move Hayward in a deal for him, we'd just wind up in that only one perimeter creator spot again (love Rodney, but he's doing it for himself right now, not getting the team involved). And all our little pieces don't add up I don't think (unless they are way high on Exum, which I doubt). So that leaves either Gobert or Favors to center the deal around. Maybe, but I really don't know what else Chicago would want to go with them.

 

[b_line]

Chicago is so dumb. Firing thibs and now threatening to trade the star of their team?

 

[franklin]

I'm not sure it's the best way or good at all but I would like at the % deviation. Favors 6.18 based off of his 16.4 ppg is a 37.6% deviation. Hayward's is far less at 30.57%. Lebron's is just a 23.62% deviation, far, far less than Favors which you originally thought was similar.

The reason I don't like this line of reasoning is because plays are called for LeBron every night. Plays are called for Hayward every nigh. Few plays are called for Favors every night.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would be reluctant to go Hayward for butler straight up... I think the attitude issues might be real here. He's not cousins but it doesn't sound great. I would understand the logic behind the move though because of his contract status.

That said I think people need to get comfortable with Hayward and his looming megamax deal... He's staying and we will pay a ransom for it. I still think he's is worth it.

I'd be willing to chase a butler for favors deal because I think lyles can be great and provide a better fit long term. I also think what favs brings is more replaceable than what butler or Hayward brings.

If a deal happened my guess is it would be favs and hood or hood and picks. Not sure the Bulls are ready to do that and they'd likely get something better from Boston.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Guys Hayward is just as good or maybe slightly worse than Butler. The difference between the players is not Gobert or Favors. I think his contract gives him more value but he's probably got some locker room issues that Hayward doesn't have.

 

[b_line]

Guys Hayward is just as good or maybe slightly worse than Butler. The difference between the players is not Gobert or Favors. I think his contract gives him more value but he's probably got some locker room issues that Hayward doesn't have.

Yep. If we trade for Butler, it certainly won't be a lateral move. DL would trade a couple young players or picks.

 

[Park Bites]

Playing chicagos gm i am call the jazz and and asking for lyles, hood and burks for butler, mcdermott and maybe this years l, maybe.

This is if the chicago is blowing it up and going you.

Would you do it?

Exum,
Butler
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

Is an amazing starting 5 but the jazz give up a ton.

 

[franklin]

[MENTION=133]GVC[/MENTION] since you are still alive, can you shed any light on this from a statistician's perspective?

 

[GVC]

@GVC since you are still alive, can you shed any light on this from a statistician's perspective?

1. I'm not a statistician.

2. Can you be a bit more specific?

 

[akirac73]

Playing chicagos gm i am call the jazz and and asking for lyles, hood and burks for butler, mcdermott and maybe this years l, maybe.

This is if the chicago is blowing it up and going you.

Would you do it?

Exum,
Butler
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

Is an amazing starting 5 but the jazz give up a ton.

I wouldn't do this, but I'd give up Hayward + just one of the 3 (lyles, hood, burks). I'm pretty sure Chicago would want our best player in the deal anyway.

 

[karl malone]

If CHI trades Butler they'd likely look to blow it up. I'd imagine they would ask for some combination of Exum/Hood/Lyles/picks. I would do Hood/Burks/#12 but I doubt that gets it done. Hood/Lyles/#12 might & while it'd hurt as a fan of both, you'd certainly have to consider it.

Exum/Mack/Neto
Butler/Burks
Hayward/3 & D SF
Favors/Stretch 4
Gobert/Whithey

That team could contend as soon as next year depending on Exum & the right addition or 2. I doubt Butler ends up in Utah but I hope they at least explore trade scenarios if CHI is in fact open to trading him.