John Dehlin on Radio West.

[colton]

Most Mormons in Joseph Smith's time likely thought all the peoples of both North and South America were remnants of Israel, including Meso-America, much like you presently believe, say, space aliens could be from the Ten Lost Tribes.

It's just that there was no basis in the text from which to make a distinction.

Joseph Smith however, never spoke of other people than natives of the old US Northwest, from New York through to Missouri, with one allusion to the Rocky Mountains as a place of refuse.

Well, I have read every word Joseph wrote, and every written account of what he spoke, but hey I could have missed something. . .

What about the reference given in the Wikipedia article I linked to above? ”Traits of the Mosaic History Found Among the Aztaeca Nations” article from Times and Seasons, June 15, 1842, Volume 3, Number 16, pp 818-820. This link may or may not take you to that reference: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9200

Or do you feel that that article is unlikely to have been written by Joseph Smith? (It's just signed "Ed.".)

 

[colton]

See, I can imagine a less grandiose, much simpler scenario where I had a family, and I wanted them to live in harmony with my neighbors, and have everyone get along like any other family regardless of what I thought and felt. While in that same scenario, I can see my kids being treated differently because of something I said to my brethren, my ward, or even my Bishop in confidence. Given the choice between giving my family the easier, healthier life for my family or being treated like outcasts for something they didn't even do, guess which one I'd choose.

We're not talking doctrine or theory here... we're talking reality. What ACTUALLY happens. The society and environment that the LDS church itself has created and fostered.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I've served in several bishoprics and ward councils, in four different states, and I've never had a bishop divulge anything that was said to him in confidence. Or told us to treat any of the kids in the ward differently because of anything that was said to him. Nor have we ever treated kids as outcasts for any reason.

 

[Harambe]

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I've served in several bishoprics and ward councils, in four different states, and I've never had a bishop divulge anything that was said to him in confidence. Or told us to treat any of the kids in the ward differently because of anything that was said to him. Nor have we ever treated kids as outcasts for any reason.

Then clearly your life experiences paint a different picture than mine. I loved my Bishops...and their wives. But I'll be damned if they didn't chirp like a magpie the second they got even the hint of something juicy.

 

[Beer]

Then clearly your life experiences paint a different picture than mine. I loved my Bishops...and their wives. But I'll be damned if they didn't chirp like a magpie the second they got even the hint of something juicy.

Just remember ... humans are human regardless of their religion. To expect someone to be perfect or even better than any other person just based on their religion is foolish.

 

[Harambe]

Just remember ... humans are human regardless of their religion. To expect someone to be perfect or even better than any other person just based on their religion is foolish.

No one asked to be perfect. But passive aggressively shaming a family into not going to church because the father is having a hard time quitting smoking?

Really?

**** like this happens. Every day. I accept that this is probably a minority, but the fact that it can happen means it will.

John Dehlin grasps that he's part of a minority. How do we know this wasn't happening?