John Stockton Article

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  1. JazzGal

    JazzGal Well-Known Member Contributor

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    The GOAT!
     
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  2. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Great article. It really bothers me how often people down-play his accomplishments. He was unbelievable for so many years, and to hear people say "well without Malone he would be nothing" is infuriating. Without Malone he would have been handing out assists to anyone else who would score, it was what he did. And the defensive end is always overlooked, where he also hold a near-unbreakable record. It is basically a foregone conclusion that no one will ever break the assist record, and the steals record is not far off of that. He doesn't get the respect he deserves, not even from the current crop of players. Look at the comments from CPee3. What an *******!
     
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  3. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    Some on here don’t give him the credit he deserves. Just look at some of Ron Mexico’s comments. So disrespectful.
     
  4. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    Easily the best pure pg to ever o play the game. Look at the pure numbers he put up on the jazz compared to Magic on those showtime lakers and then tell me had Stockton played on those lakers teams his numbers would’ve shattered everything we hold as great and ridiculous as far as numbers go. I have no problem saying Magic was a better overall player due to versatility but Stockton as a pg is miles better to play the position compared to any other pg to ever play. Oh, and had he wanted to he could’ve averaged 25+ points a game had he wanted to, but what set him apart from all other pg’s is he always made the right play.

    eff you @Ron Mexico
     
  5. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    Three things I’ve thought of:

    1. How many assists did he have that didn’t go to Malone? I wonder if anyone’s tracked that. I gotta think the total number would still place him in or around the top 5 all-time in assists. 6th place is nearly 6,000 assists behind. That speaks volumes.
    2. I guess Kidd, Jackson, Nash and Magic only played with scrubs.
    3. The people who say he was only that good because he played with Malone are the same retards who say Malone wasn’t that great because he never won a title. ****ing hypocrites.
     
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  6. Pastramiking

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    Let me first say that Stockton is the reason I became a Jazz fan, but thought this video was interesting. Could he not go left???
     
  7. Zombie

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    He could, but he thought it was unsportsmanlike to do so.
     
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  8. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    That is 15 minutes of my life I will never have back. Stolen and gone forever.
     
  9. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    So thinking about this, Malone averaged 25 ppg his career. The average points per game for the league (not sure for the Jazz) over that time span eyeballs about 100 ppg (higher in 80-mid 90s then drops off). So if you assume Karl was 25% of the total offense, then go ahead and subtract out 25% of Stockton’s assists. That puts him at 11,855, which is good for second place on the all-time list, 236 behind Jason Kidd. And that presumes that absolutely nobody fills Karl’s scoring void and the Jazz average 25 ppg less than the rest of the league.
     
  10. MilesDeep

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    Stockton had a five year period, maybe four, that his average numbers were better than those Nash achieved in the year he was named MVP. Think about that. Stockton and Malone are not talked about where they should be because they didn't win the chip. Sucks, but that's the reality, and they will never escape it.
     
  11. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    Nash didn't win a title either. Neither did AI.
     
  12. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    Think about this, had Stockton shot as many threes as they generally do today he would’ve had a few seasons averaging 20+ points a game as well.

    weather he could dribble left or not it didn’t matter because he was that good. He is still played pg better than anyone ever did it in any era in the nba. I have no problem saying Magic is a better player but I will have words with anyone that claims Magic was a better pg because he wasn’t. So imagine if Stockton could dribble left. Dear god Stockton showed a lot of mercy to the league.

    @Ron Mexico you still suck!!
     

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