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John Stockton Claims He Had Proof of 1000 Athletes Dying of Vaccine

gandalfe said:
The article specifically says that "vaccination can reduce the risk of non‐respiratory complications of Covid, including ischaemic stroke." Also, "The estimated risk of myocarditis or pericarditis after SARS‐CoV‐2 infection is 18–21 times as high as for uninfected people."

So, basically, there is nothing in that article that blames vaccines. So what is your point?
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Well it does mention vaccination.

The study also found that vaccination can reduce the risk of non‐respiratory complications of Covid, including ischaemic stroke.
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So, that's interesting, because it's exactly the opposite of the claims of the vaccine INCREASING those risks. Hmm.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Well it does mention vaccination.



So, that's interesting, because it's exactly the opposite of the claims of the vaccine INCREASING those risks. Hmm.
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Identity > facts

In an effort to provide more entertainment, outrage, and grievance in life, many Americans have turned to bogus conspiracy theories. It becomes even more attractive when their families, political party, and social network tribes now identify which such stupidity. Sadly, this is going to continue to become worse as people move on from the “light” drugs of Qanon and Covid nonsense to “harder” drugs. Each new conspiracy addict demands an even dumber conspiracy to keep the excitement alive. I’m not sure how or when this ends, especially as long as social media, smartphones are used for hrs a day, and people continue to become disconnected from face to face interaction with their community members in favor of online communities that create their own realities.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Well it does mention vaccination.



So, that's interesting, because it's exactly the opposite of the claims of the vaccine INCREASING those risks. Hmm.
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I cam to realize that his point was specifically that this article didn't blame it on vaccines, therefore main stream media is brainwashing us.
 
One Brow said:
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Eh, they are just perpetuating the false narratives of "safe" vaccines. Pass.
 
Sadly, the whole Covid situation became political so fast that we will probably never have accurate numbers. It will probably take years to figure out what really happened.

Long Covid is going to be an interesting thing to be tracked, if anyone is doing so. Many people I know have various problems they didn't have before getting Covid (such as shortness of breath, headaches, brain fog, fatigue).

I hope someday we will better understand what happened with the pandemic. But I worry we will learn nothing and politicize the next one.

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JazzGal said:
Sadly, the whole Covid situation became political so fast that we will probably never have accurate numbers. It will probably take years to figure out what really happened.

Long Covid is going to be an interesting thing to be tracked, if anyone is doing so. Many people I know have various problems they didn't have before getting Covid (such as shortness of breath, headaches, brain fog, fatigue).

I hope someday we will better understand what happened with the pandemic. But I worry we will learn nothing and politicize the next one.

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you know what's even more interesting ?? Is the excess deaths issue that persists and that no government seems too fussed about which seems rather scandalous. And i agree i don't believe any lessons will be learned, particularly where there are monetary interests and legal ramifications involved. I dare say it'll be everyone rushing to cover their own arses from blame.
 
LogGrad98 said:
First, the first comment was uncalled for, and I take extreme exception to it. You are better than that, and you should have seen enough to know that thriller and I do not agree on very much. I didn't throw ad hominem at you. Why start with it here? Shows you are not super certain in your argument, tbh. The fact that that was your starting point tells me you don't put a lot of critical thinking to this stuff so you need to start with the insults. And since when was Thriller the final determining authority on any of this, and why bring him up when what I stated had nothing to do with anything he said or did?

Second, I was commenting on Musk's statement which was irresponsible as there is not a single example of what he is claiming, yet many will take it as an excuse to refuse vaccines in general and continue railing against the COVID vaccine specifically. Do you have an example of a vaccine causing more harm than the disease? If you have such blinders on you cannot see the unintended consequences and far-reaching possible effects of such a statement by someone like Musk, then may I introduce you to the hoards of people who support Trump? It also again makes me unsure you are being intellectually honest about this whole thing, yet again. Keeping your opinion carefully sheltered behind your anecdotal evidence.

So along those lines, I appreciate all your anecdotal evidence but I imagine we would be better served by using, you know, actual data and real scientific evidence, before using mummy as the reason for refusal to administer a potential life-saving vaccine.

And no, it has not been added to a super-secret caballistic coded untouchable childhood vaccine schedule or whatever stupid **** that is conveniently supposed to refer to. No one is forcing it on anyone. No one is planting secret microchips in it. Not sure what other pseudo-science ******** you subscribe to, but none of it is real. As I said, no one views it as a silver bullet (a part you chose to skim over, and in fact double down on with the Thriller comments, thanks for the intellectual honesty there), and no one is codifying it into permanent US scripture or whatever conspiracy you are afraid of there. Is it a point of discussion? Absolutely, as it should be, for something multiple times more deadly than the flu, which kills tens of thousands annually. At some point we would hope we get a vaccine we can administer like a flu vaccine, that would be best case scenario. But to brush it off entirely and "abandon all hope ye who get infected here" is a terrible approach to even consider. My and mine are fine, so **** you and yours, amirite? Great way to approach something from a societal perspective.

But, circling back to what this was about in the first place nut-jobs like Musk throwing the efficacy of vaccines into question with some fake made-up ****, with zero evidence to back it up, because he has some Trump-ian need to control people is just ludicrous and irresponsible. He should be lambasted for it.
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well if you want to talk about fake made up **** how about the steady stream of steaming manure that has come from as One Brow would say a "liar and grifter" the Pfizer CEO who started off proclaiming 100 % efficacy in early trials and has since steadily wound those figures back as time has gone on .. should people like that be censored for misinformation ? And please why does the arguement have to jump to the Trump ?? wtf and to things like planting microchips ???? Why do you have to jump to such an obviously untrue extreme that you know damn well i have never mentioned. You're better than that. As far as the Thriller goes, yes i apologise. He is his own one man circle jerk, and that was a rash comment to include you in with him.

I would also take exception to the "my and mine are fine" comment which you also know damn well is insulting and untrue. "Using mummy as a reason to what ..... ??? you're not making sense there" Again, it is disappointing that you jump to that extreme when you try to paint those you disagree with as some kind of monster. You know damn well that i have repeatedly said that i think it is a good idea for those other than younger healthy people to have vaccination. I find it staggering that you cannot separate the risk and therefore treatment of Covid according to age and health status. Merely saying it is multiple times more deadly than the flu .. for who ?? You cannot possibly think it is for young children. And in light of ZERO medium to long term follow up studies of the safety of a new vaccine. Does it not bother you that the Covid vaccines are STILL shielded from liability by governments ??

Do i sometimes use a little too free dose of vitriol ?? Sure, in an attempt to get some who are so blindly wed to the idea of these vaccines being the be all and end all for EVERYBODY. I do also forget that in the US you haven't had mandates like we have here, where pretty much 95 % of the population has been jabbed, a great many who did not wish to at threat of their jobs, livelihoods, businesses and being pretty much locked out of society, i do forget a good deal of my anger about it is due to that. But a very large deal is due to the obfuscation, censorship that i have seen first hand directly here from the medical profession and government authorities. You can call that anecdotal if you like, sure, but there's a lot of the information pushing vaccines for everyone that is absolutely the same. Please do not mistake me for some conspiracy nutter, i have many funny conversations with those types on FB when they try to claim every death is related to vaccination. I read many many articles and there is so much conflicting junk science around that runs both ways, and serious issues seem to just get ignored. Excess deaths not being talked about is a disgrace, most likely due to the delays in seeking medical care. Surely there has to be a reckoning about this .. the cardiac issue is concering, it needs to be examined properly.

Again it was wrong the comment regarding you and Thriller, i sincerely apologize.
 
fishonjazz said:
Im not higher risk nor is my wife but we were both given the flu shot this year (and every year).

It is literally given to everyone of any age. My daughter is 6. Got it last year. My mom is nearly 80. She got it too. My wife and I are middle aged (40's) and we both got it.
What age or ages do you think the flu shot is restricted from being given too?
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here it's very much the oldies, those with asthma, bad lungs, those who work in health care. Younger healthy people aren't given it routinely
 
LogGrad98 said:
So people who don't take the vaccine appear more likely to engage in risk-taking behavior, which tends to cause more traffic accidents. And more risk-averse people are likely to take the vaccine and likely to not engage in risky behaviors so they have fewer accidents. In other news, water is found to generally be wet.
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dude .. see One Brow's comment under yours. That paper was laughable in it's conclusions and factors it ignored and yet it was presented as a serious paper in a medical journal. This is the sort of junk science that passes for "the science" these days
 
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