john stockton speaks out against the covid policies

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2. Not a lot of evidence that masks do much of anything at all. Unless they are N95 but not many people have access to those. Walk around and 95% of people wearing masks aren't even close to wearing them correctly. Now I'm no anti masker, I wear mine all the time, not a big deal. But there is little to no evidence they are actually helping curb covid

Sure there is. You can't do double-blind experiments, but therre are plenty of studies showing reduced transmission of water droplets and the like.

Also, magnitude matters.

COVID update: Why masks and distancing matter, and why we need to change how things are run

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3. Look at the recent study comparing Florida's do whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want and California's shut everything down, no school, no gatherings, no work, etc .... and they have almost the exact same cases per 100k and same deaths per 100k. So what does that tell us?

Well, the notion that California has had consistent, long-term lockdown policies that "shut everything down" while Florida has had none across the state is ludicrous.

I think the data and science is pointing more and more to let people live their lives, old and sick people do your best to stay away from everyone, and lets hope like hell the vaccine works as intended.

Here's to Beer's next 500K!

 

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Sure there is. You can't do double-blind experiments, but therre are plenty of studies showing reduced transmission of water droplets and the like.

Also, magnitude matters.

COVID update: Why masks and distancing matter, and why we need to change how things are run

It’s surreal. I’ve been isolating with Tegan and the critters since March. It was pretty easy, because nobody was hiring, and neither of us was able to get wage labor until Tegan got a …

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Well, the notion that California has had consistent, long-term lockdown policies that "shut everything down" while Florida has had none across the state is ludicrous.


Here's to Beer's next 500K!

I can confirm, the state never really locked down. We do have shut downs of specific things, like restaurants (seating outside only, and spaced out), sports venues (pretty much just closed), and for a while, churches and the like were going only over zoom, not gathering together in a building. Some of that is being lifted now, and most recently the cases are dropping off dramatically.

IMO the best thing we did was using masks. This has the biggest effect as far as I am concerned.

But I think restricting gatherings and such actually caused a rebound effect. For example, we had friends who kept telling me they hadn't seen their family in weeks (they have a lot of extended family in the area). I asked about it and it seemed like they mostly visited their mom and dad and a couple cousins. But since they hadn't seen anyone in weeks, they went all out at Thanksgiving and had like 40 people at their house, all of their extended family, to make up for it. Needless to say it became a super-spreader event and like 15 people ended up sick, with I think 5 hospitalized, including their mom and dad. Everyone made it through ok from what I heard, but I think this was a pretty common scenario. So it limits the overall effectiveness of shutting everything down, due to human nature in this regard.

 

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Sure there is. You can't do double-blind experiments, but therre are plenty of studies showing reduced transmission of water droplets and the like.

Also, magnitude matters.

COVID update: Why masks and distancing matter, and why we need to change how things are run

It’s surreal. I’ve been isolating with Tegan and the critters since March. It was pretty easy, because nobody was hiring, and neither of us was able to get wage labor until Tegan got a …

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Well, the notion that California has had consistent, long-term lockdown policies that "shut everything down" while Florida has had none across the state is ludicrous.


Here's to Beer's next 500K!

1. Water droplets are not even close to a virus in size. And also to my original point almost no one is wearing their masks even close to correctly. Huge gaps on the sides, nose exposed, pulling it off to talk, etc ...... The virus is so impossibly small that there is no way a crappy cloth mask let alone a poorly fitting one is doing much of anything.

2. Sure if we are comparing Florida and California over the last 11 months there might be some similarities. Everyone tried to lockdown in the beginning. But in the last 3 or 4 months there are pretty much no similarities in how they are handling it and yet almost the exact same results.

3. It's beginning to look more and more that the only possible way to keep it from spreading and keep sick people safe is. to lock everyone down. No leaving the house, no school, no restaurants, no shopping, no seeing anyone outside of your immediate household. Which anyone with half a brain knows is completely unreasonable.

As much as it pains me to say the loons on the right are looking closer to being right than the loons on the left.

 

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1. Water droplets are not even close to a virus in size. And also to my original point almost no one is wearing their masks even close to correctly. Huge gaps on the sides, nose exposed, pulling it off to talk, etc ...... The virus is so impossibly small that there is no way a crappy cloth mask let alone a poorly fitting one is doing much of anything.

2. Sure if we are comparing Florida and California over the last 11 months there might be some similarities. Everyone tried to lockdown in the beginning. But in the last 3 or 4 months there are pretty much no similarities in how they are handling it and yet almost the exact same results.

3. It's beginning to look more and more that the only possible way to keep it from spreading and keep sick people safe is. to lock everyone down. No leaving the house, no school, no restaurants, no shopping, no seeing anyone outside of your immediate household. Which anyone with half a brain knows is completely unreasonable.

As much as it pains me to say the loons on the right are looking closer to being right than the loons on the left.

1. The virus is transmitted via water droplets, like many other airborne viruses (such as measles). You stop the water droplet, you stop the virus.

2. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but given your sources completely erroneous knowledge regarding 1), I'll need to see some solid evidence before I acknowledge this. For example, Miami-Dade just rescinded an order closing restaurants, which order had previously been in place.

https://www.miamidade.gov/information/library/coronavirus-emergency-order-30-20.pdf

3. It's certainly has been possible to prevent spread in smaller counties where the populace takes these things seriously (Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand), and they also use techniques like contact tracing for the occasional breakout. All of this requires significant government buy-in, so it is perhaps not viable in the US, but we never did take it that seriously, so who can say?