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John Stockton: Writes Plea for Capitol Rioter

One Brow said:
Even (and especially) when we disagree, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you. I want to be clear on that. I have no desire to pull you into an argument, because I know you find them distasteful and oppressive.

Many people, due to the circumstances of their lives, found some of that light-hearted joking and hazing to be hurtful and impede their healing. I know it was not intended that way. However, I don't see the toxicity as having risen, but rather having been revealed. Further, at least when questioned, I've been pretty clear that I see myself as suffering from many of the same issues that I see in others. I see defensiveness as a refusal to a call to change, because who wants to change when things are perceived as good?
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Right back at you with that respect, you are one of the posters where there can be some reasonable conversation despite the disagreement on many issues.
 
Gameface said:
When I hear someone say "BLM riots" I know that they don't know what happened other than this idea in their head that BLM got onstage and said "Ready, set, BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!" and then violent protests ensued.

Official BLM demonstrations happened during daylight hours and specifically condemned violence and rioting. Well after BLM events were over people began to demonstrate independent of the BLM organization and many of those demonstrations become violent, primarily in the form of vandalism and property destruction.

There was an important message being delivered in the wake of the George Floyd murder. Luckily (sarcasm) many people have been able to avoid that message because there were violent protests that they point to while dismissing the idea that there is a real problem in our society that needs to be addressed.
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Lol, plenty of things were smashed and looted during daylight hours even in SLC. You're a complete lying hack job. So do tell me, there were thousands of people at the capitol that day, only a small % of them looted the capitol. Does that make it better for you in that scenerio?
 
oneye said:
Lol, plenty of things were smashed and looted during daylight hours even in SLC. You're a complete lying hack job.
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None of it was at the direction or encouragement of the BLM movement you ****ing simpleton.

Derp I'm oneeye and I got all hung up on the daylight vs nighttime part of a post when that wasn't really the point. I'm a simple minded idiot. derp derp derp
 
Every little chip that erodes democracy will be felt during our next election. That includes seemingly insignificant things like Stockton writing a letter in support of a friend. Trump has no interest in a peaceful election process. The way he ecouraged the coup attempt and sat back giddy like a teenager while it unfolded proves that Trump puts himself way above America. He would love a civil war over him in 2024. Does anyone really doubt that?

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Gameface said:
None of it was at the direction or encouragement of the BLM movement you ****ing simpleton.

Derp I'm oneeye and I got all hung up on the daylight vs nighttime part of a post when that wasn't really the point. I'm a simple minded idiot. derp derp derp
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It was by the same people at the protests friend, sorry. We could all watch it live on our News feed. Can't hide it sorry moron.
 
oneye said:
It was by the same people at the protests friend, sorry. We could all watch it live on our News feed. Can't hide it sorry moron.
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When you say "same people" you mean black people, don't you?

The BLM organization condemned violence and vandalism. The BLM organizers were not the same people who engaged in violent protests.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
Do you penalize attempted murder the same as you do murder that succeeds? amirite?

That wasn't even the point of what I said anyways.
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No, it carries the penalty of attempted murder, since it isn't murder. What they did was sedition and that is the punishment they should receive. If they had been closer to succeeding in their coup attempt then it would carry the punishment for treason. In lots of ways it falls in between the two.

And that is how your comment came across to me. That since 9/11 couldn't topple the republic then what they did on Jan 6th doesn't matter since they didn't even come as close as 9/11 did, so why make a big deal of it. If that isn't what you intended I am sorry if I mischaracterized your comments. But that is how I read it.
 
oneye said:
Lol, plenty of things were smashed and looted during daylight hours even in SLC.
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During a BLM event? If not, this is moving the goalposts.

oneye said:
You're a complete lying hack job. So do tell me, there were thousands of people at the capitol that day, only a small % of them looted the capitol. Does that make it better for you in that scenerio?
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I would say a few hundred is better than, or at least not as bad as, a few thousand.
 
LogGrad98 said:
No, it carries the penalty of attempted murder, since it isn't murder. What they did was sedition and that is the punishment they should receive. If they had been closer to succeeding in their coup attempt then it would carry the punishment for treason. In lots of ways it falls in between the two.

And that is how your comment came across to me. That since 9/11 couldn't topple the republic then what they did on Jan 6th doesn't matter since they didn't even come as close as 9/11 did, so why make a big deal of it. If that isn't what you intended I am sorry if I mischaracterized your comments. But that is how I read it.
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I actually haven't commented on what punishment they should receive other than to respond to your attempted murder rabbit hole.
I only thought that the storming event could have ended our democracy idea was quite a stretch. I think that line of thinking is severely underestimating our government. That's chicken little stuff man.

Punish them how they need to be punished for doing something stupid. What do I care, but your murder/attempted murder whatever comparison wasn't even anything I was wading in.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
I actually haven't commented on what punishment they should receive other than to respond to your attempted murder rabbit hole.
I only thought that the storming event could have ended our democracy idea was quite a stretch. I think that line of thinking is severely underestimating our government. That's chicken little stuff man.

Punish them how they need to be punished for doing something stupid. What do I care, but your murder/attempted murder whatever comparison wasn't even anything I was wading in.
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