What's new

just gonna lob this out there

NAOS

Well-Known Member
Favors + Exum + 2 first-round picks

for

Damian Lillard



what would Portland say? Lillard is a true assassin. Not easy to come by. But can they build a contender around him soon enough? That's definitely the big question in Portland.

What do you say? Favors is an excellent two-way player down low. He's got excellent defensive range. Exum could be another great PG for Portland.



have fun discussing, pls






Lillard/Burke/Neto
Hood/Burks
Hayward
Lyles
Gobert/Withey
 
Lillard would certainly solve everyone's moaning about the PG spot. It would also add a true 3 point threat night in and night out.

I'd hate to just bail on Exum though. I think he is going to be special. But if this did happen it solves the problem Exum's departure would create.

I have no idea if this price is to high or not for Lillard. Not my strength.
 
Portland hangs up before you can say, "But!...."

and the Jazz still have Favors, Exum and 2 1sts. I'd be happy with that.

I'd rather see what the Jazz could get for Burks, Burke and all the pics they own.
 
Favors + Exum + 2 first-round picks

for

Damian Lillard



what would Portland say? Lillard is a true assassin. Not easy to come by. But can they build a contender around him soon enough? That's definitely the big question in Portland.

What do you say? Favors is an excellent two-way player down low. He's got excellent defensive range. Exum could be another great PG for Portland.



have fun discussing, pls






Lillard/Burke/Neto
Hood/Burks
Hayward
Lyles
Gobert/Withey
Definately something to consider. I think we give up a little too much but im a jazz homer so idk. Probably pretty fair for both teams. Maybe only 1 first rounder. Favors and exum might both be all stars one day. Then again favors might always have back issues and never quite reach all star level when healthy and exum might bust.
Portland hangs up before you can say, "But!...."

Agreed. Portland is thinking that lillard is a superstar, possibly all nba type player and favors is a really good big with injury concerns and exum is a huge question mark with injury concerns.
 
3911876029_6697725310.jpg
 
Just random thoughts not really in direct response;

I hope I'm wrong, but I think we've struck some fools gold with Lyles. I'm not ready to pencil him a definite starter by any stretch, yet.

I am still bullish on Exum.
Burke needs to go.
Keep Gobert.
See what we can get for Favors, but likely keep him.
Burks and Hood are available but not as giveaways.
Let Booker go.
Hayward stays.

I know people will laugh at this, but our greatest assets right now are our picks. Over the next three years we have 5 1st round picks and 10 2nd round picks. We need to parlay them, somehow, into a top 5 pick in '17. Top 5 is a perennial all-star. Of the top 5 there are 2 electric PG's. Two outstanding SF's. One incredible PF.

Tbh, I'm ready to semi blow the team up. It just doesn't feel like we have the true building blocks for a contender and as much as everyone will simply accuse me of loving the draft process and throw out stupid jabs re: the Sixers, etc.. the mountain of draft picks is our way UP. Whether through parlaying to a HIGH '17 pick, or giving them up for a kick *** veteran. I guess what I am saying is our picks have more value than our players to build/re-build the team.

This next line is only for anyone that cares to bash my post. Who are we building around?
 
Id rather throw some picks at Charlotte to bring Linsanity to Utah for a year and a half. Think he's a great fit and should have been on their target list ever since Houston was selling him for cap space. It gives the Jazz a solid young option in the starting lineup while Exum is getting healthy and won't cost the team an arm and a leg to acquire.

I could easily see the Hornets flip him as an asset because of his production and contract (just like the Jazz should consider doing with Jeff Withey.)
 
Let me Kibosh this thread early. Apologies to OP for piling on, but this idea, as you've stated it, just doesn't have any chance at getting off the ground.

Portland's entire team is built around Damian Lillard..
They'd surely want Trey Burke back, that is if Olshey would even listen to an offer for Lillard.. Or this would just be 2 parts in a 3-way trade..

On a personal note; It would be ****ty to see Favors being on the short end of 2 D-Will type trades, given his talent level he doesn't deserve that typa treatment. while it's far from reality, it'd cast him in the light as some type of placeholder/gatekeeper..

Lets recount some of Portland's recent transactions;

- traded a vet(Batum) for a PF(Vonleh) Who's 20 and has 30 starts on the season(Favors has 23), there's definitely some type of intrinsic value in him gaining experience while the Blazers are in playoff contention, He pushed off a bit but dunked on Rudy the other night, that was surprising...

- signed a younger vet PF (Ed Davis) to a reasonably priced 3 year deal..

- traded for Mason Plumlee, who can play 4 and 5, and block shots and rebound, finish around the rim, he's got some flaws but makes up for them maintaining a high activity level - he's locked into a very reasonable salary and then restricted after next season too..

- signed Al Farouq Aminu who's plenty capable of switching to PF vs many matchups..

-They have a looming free agent Meyers Leonard who turns just 24 in a month, he's underperforming this year but still will command a decent wage on the open market this summer, especially if he can manage to get hot from 3 before the end of the season. Favors arrival would be a bad signal for him. Watching Leonard walk isn't a great outcome for Portland either, he's a former lottery pick, and as I've said many times over, big guys take longer to develop..

Maybe Leonard would be included in this trade, and Withey going the other way? That'd possibly ease the loss of those 1sts..

To add to the plausibility of this trade, you've gotta throw in Neto too, obviously they could use C.J. McCollum as more of a PG in this scenario, but other than that it'd leave them with just Tim '8.8 mpg' Frazier at PG.. and again their whole team is structured for the PG and SG to throw up 3's and the other guys to rebound, which might not be the best way to utilize Favors talents anyway - Their 5th option on offense, of their starters now, is their PF...

A trade like this is interesting though.. I'm all for some sort of 2 for 1 swap.. If I was a GM i'd wouldn't trade those first round picks for anything less than potentially better 1st round picks.


So lets say the Trade was Favors, Exum, Withey, Neto this years 1st round pick unprotected and the 2021 1st round pick, for Meyers Leonard and Lillard (which works in the trade machine)

That leaves the Jazz with this juicy lineup/perimeter rotation(lotta firepower..);

Lillard/Burke/ 10-day contract (Olivier Hanlan?!)
Hood/Burks*/Johnson
Hayward/Ingles/Hood
Lyles/Booker/Leonard/ (Jeff Ayers?!)
Gobert/Leonard/Pleiss


Which is damn malleable moving forward(even without my prized draft picks!).. The Jazz could still designate Rudy for a 5 year contract.. Portland did that with Lillard already, he qualified for the 5 year 30% 'derrick rose rule' max..

Lastly I just want to point out -- trying to gauge Dante Exum's trade value at this point is a dangerous, dangerous game. In a profession where jobs are on the line, and overturn happens quickly.. I wouldn't want anything to do with it..
 
We'd have to do it... they would likely decline, but they shouldn't. They are doing the classic half *** rebuild that will leave them in mediocrity. Lillard and CJ are too good to lose enough. Leonard is meh, plumlee is okay, Vonleh looks like ****. No other real great prospects... no draft picks coming back right now and I think they have one going out. This ends with Dame having no help. If they have CJ, Favs, Exum (better match with CJ), and a couple other 1sts they have the makings of building something. They could also go tank city a bit without Dame.

Tough to build a team with one all star, one good young player, and late lottery picks. I guess they could land something in FA, but that doesn't seem really likely either.
 
I am a huge Lillard fan and really wanted him back in the 2012 draft, even though we didnt have any first round picks that year.I really dont think this trade gets it done though. I grew up in Portland and all of my buddies are huge Blazer fans, and the franchise is going all in on Lillard. Favors is a great PF, but they want a superstar that they can market as 'The Guy'. Favors doenst have that kind of appeal I think and Exum is still a huge unknown.

I'd hate to see Favors go, but I'd probably be happy if this trade happened, but I don't see it ever going down. Lillard is HUGE in Portland.

Has his defense improved this year? I know he isn't the greatest defender
 
We'd have to do it... they would likely decline, but they shouldn't. They are doing the classic half *** rebuild that will leave them in mediocrity. Lillard and CJ are too good to lose enough. Leonard is meh, plumlee is okay, Vonleh looks like ****. No other real great prospects... no draft picks coming back right now and I think they have one going out. This ends with Dame having no help. If they have CJ, Favs, Exum (better match with CJ), and a couple other 1sts they have the makings of building something. They could also go tank city a bit without Dame.

Tough to build a team with one all star, one good young player, and late lottery picks. I guess they could land something in FA, but that doesn't seem really likely either.

these are the notions that this trade idea is built around. Portland has to fear this outcome. I'm sure they're praying to all deities that Dame can bring a top-tier FA to Portland with the $$ they have from the rising cap. If not, they don't have a title window opening.
 
and we have zero all-star, what does that say about our rebuilding?

We have three border line all stars, a prospect with all star potential in Exum, a couple other good young guys in lyles, hood, and burks... Some fringe assets like Burke and cap space... And all of our own picks plus a couple others in the next three years. Think it's going just fine.
 
Just random thoughts not really in direct response;

I hope I'm wrong, but I think we've struck some fools gold with Lyles. I'm not ready to pencil him a definite starter by any stretch, yet.

I am still bullish on Exum.
Burke needs to go.
Keep Gobert.
See what we can get for Favors, but likely keep him.
Burks and Hood are available but not as giveaways.
Let Booker go.
Hayward stays.

I know people will laugh at this, but our greatest assets right now are our picks. Over the next three years we have 5 1st round picks and 10 2nd round picks. We need to parlay them, somehow, into a top 5 pick in '17. Top 5 is a perennial all-star. Of the top 5 there are 2 electric PG's. Two outstanding SF's. One incredible PF.

Tbh, I'm ready to semi blow the team up. It just doesn't feel like we have the true building blocks for a contender and as much as everyone will simply accuse me of loving the draft process and throw out stupid jabs re: the Sixers, etc.. the mountain of draft picks is our way UP. Whether through parlaying to a HIGH '17 pick, or giving them up for a kick *** veteran. I guess what I am saying is our picks have more value than our players to build/re-build the team.

This next line is only for anyone that cares to bash my post. Who are we building around?

I agree with this, minus keeping Hayward (at least at a max deal), unless we are somehow able to turn Burks/Hood/picks into a SG who is an established true #1 scoring option (which is unlikely). Exum, Favors, & Gobert are the building blocks to an elite defensive team, that is who I would build around. Seeing as how they are rarely available, the draft is likely the only way we will acquire that missing elite scorer.

If we stay the current course, I feel like we will come up just short of winning a championship (more so due to the state of the league than our level of talent), even if we are able to re-sign Hayward. If we're going to rebuild, retaining Hayward seems counterproductive as he would likely keep us competitive enough to prevent us from getting the top 5 draft pick(s) we need.

Unless the team starts to really click soon, I would prefer to see them trade Hayward at the deadline, in order to maximize his value (assuming we are able to find a reasonable return) & continue stockpiling assets in order to acquire that current/future offensive star, rather than risk him potentially walking as an UFA the following year. As far as upsetting the rest of the roster, Exum & Gobert are both controllable for the foreseeable future & I view Favors as much less likely to walk as an UFA than Hayward (especially with an extra year to rebuild), but that is complete speculation on my part.
 
Back
Top