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Just say noah to Noah Vonleh

White Chocolate said:
Listen! The difference is nobody is saying A. Gordon is a good shooter unlike you Vonleh supporters.
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is there any evidence to support that Vonleh isn't a good shooter though?

considering his height, weight, age and college position id have to say his shooting its abnormally good.

he gets great Arc and rotation on his shot, no? theres scouts who've said his range is beyond the NBA 3 pt line.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
is there any evidence to support that Vonleh isn't a good shooter though?

considering his height, weight, age and college position id have to say his shooting its abnormally good.

he gets great Arc and rotation on his shot, no? theres scouts who've said his range is beyond the NBA 3 pt line.
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Slow release. Besides four hot shooting games, his % from three was 36.3 and A. Gordon's was 35.6.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
what do you think separates Aaron Gordons work ethic fron NV?
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Reports say Gordon is a first in/last out practice guy. That along with his fire will separate his development from Vonleh. Gordon knows he needs to be respectable at the line. And he shoots well in practice. I think f/t shooting clicks for him down the road.
 
I think it's a little unseemly for Aaron Gordon's agent to be bashing other potential draftees on message boards like this.

Boo. I say boo, sir.
 
franklin said:
Vonleh's measurements are freak size and freak athlete, but I don't hear anyone calling him a freak athlete. His sprint, agility, and hops are comparable to Favors, and you could almost compare him to Dwight Howard. How does he stack up in the athleticism depo? If he's a Favors athletically, but with an outside shooting touch and that Millsap outside-in driving ability then the kid is going to be good.

And oh by the way, he's still getting taller.
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that just about nails it, id say thats realistically the appeal of drafting him.

As far as his athleticism, im very bullish and have been throughout, When DX first put up their scouting video posters in the draftee's thread were quick to point out his lack of explosion, I predicted he would jump 36" and cited a report from IU's strength and conditioning coach saying he could touch 12' last summer. Sure enough he registers 37" and touches 12'1, in the context of his weight thats legitimate explosion.

He runs very well, id say hes light on his feet, there was a play vs Michigan St where he ran several strides past Adrian Payne (and the rest of the defense) and got an easy layup. Also in the context of his weight and size, his ability to drive the ball could end up being 'freakish' and a matchup nightmare, he only needs one or 2 dribbles to cover a ton of ground from the 3pt line.

Im probably saying this the wrong way but people with genetics like Noah tend to be pretty athletic, im inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, he descends from a Paramount Chief in Liberia known for defending his clan in battle. I know his mom and little sister are both 6'3", i do think he can still grow a bit.

theres plenty of evidence that hes got a monster work ethic, the IU Strength & Conditioning coach said right away he put the upperclassman to shame in the weight-room, and mentioned some favorable comparisons to Cody Zeller.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
is there any evidence to support that Vonleh isn't a good shooter though?

considering his height, weight, age and college position id have to say his shooting its abnormally good.

he gets great Arc and rotation on his shot, no? theres scouts who've said his range is beyond the NBA 3 pt line.
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If his shot is so pure, why is he remodeling it? Recent rumor is he is trying to change it to get a higher and quicker release.

Also, White Choclate already made a case for inconsistency in his OP.

I'm not saying he's bad, but I'm also not hoping on the "he's the next Chris Bosh" crazy train that has rolled into town. His hands and his rebounding are nice, but just like you w/ Gordon, I would have loked to have a bigger sample size. Players can get hot, and they can get cold.

Vonleh is still very raw on both sides of the ball. He turned the ball over on 18.6 percent of his possessions and recorded 4.1 fouls per 40 minutes, per Sports-Reference. He has a habit of bringing the ball low, right into the hands of reaching defenders.

He has the athleticism to get to the rim, but he often puts his head down and loses sight of where he's at; he shot worse at the rim (59. 3 percent) than Aaron Craft (60.6 percent) did, per Hoop-Math. That's a very low percentage, especially for a big man.
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https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/6/6/5777506/noah-vonleh-scouting-report-nba-draft-2014
 
I am convinced that Noah well be an All Star player in the NBA. Watching him play and Seeing his skill set you can tell that nothing is broken. Maybe a little slow and inconsistent but that is expected for a guy who is one of the Youngest players in his draft class.

Every other player at 5 that we are considering has a major flaw that would take a long time to correct (if they can even correct it)

Noah at 5 would be a steal.
 
Sexual Favors said:
If his shot is so pure, why is he remodeling it? Recent rumor is he is trying to change it to get a higher and quicker release.

Also, White Choclate already made a case for inconsistency in his OP.

I'm not saying he's bad, but I'm also not hoping on the "he's the next Chris Bosh" crazy train that has rolled into town. His hands and his rebounding are nice, but just like you w/ Gordon, I would have loked to have a bigger sample size. Players can get hot, and they can get cold.


https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/6/6/5777506/noah-vonleh-scouting-report-nba-draft-2014
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the case he made of his 'inconsistency' is a poor one though, not nearly enough to disprove the quality of 49% from 3, albeit on limited attempts. idk how Jazzfanzers have decided thats where hes inconsistent, some game logs? what happens when you add all those game logs up?

the facts of the matter are the poor streak he had was right at the beginning of the year, and he didnt shoot that much for the first 10 games after that he heated up and stayed hot shooting 60% in conference play, on 1.6 attempts per game

Recent rumor and all that **** is well and good Ive watched him shoot for awhile, theres nothing all that different in those workout vids from the Lakers, ive heard him say hes trying to make his release quicker which is nothing unusual to hear from a prospect. words like "remodeling" are something ive not seen or heard.

could you imagine an agent telling his client who just shot 49% from 3 to tell teams hes 'remodeling' his shot...
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
I hear plenty criticism of Vonlehs 49% 3pt shooting (60% in conference)

Can an AG supporter please explain whats up with 17% 3pt shooting in the Pac-12?

I've brought it up multiple times, never has anyone directly responded to it.

Yet i hear his 35% 3pt shooting number cited constantly.
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OP already responded.
no one is calling gordon a great shooter. We all know shooting is his weakness
 
fishonjazz said:
Um..... because he is poor shooter
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Fair enough, thats about the only explanation i can come up with too which is why i was looking for a better one. Perhaps im wrong but i think plenty of AG supporters here will not concede that as fact.

once you accept that hes a poor shooter, as i have. I think its very fair to worry about the effect of replacing a 41% 3pt shooter last year, with a poor shooter like AG.

In relation to attempts, Gordon and Trey were very inefficient shooting 3's last year, How does AG not further exacerbate that issue?

In the case of TJ Warren or Jordan Clarkson whom both shot under 30% from college 3 this past season, i can confidently say, "even though the respect wont be there for the 3 point shot, this player has what it takes to keep the defense on its heels" AG to me is someone that is very predictable in half-court offense, if he was a threat to post up it'd be a different story, the way i see it he gets most of his offense on 'dives' to the rim, which is a tough way to make a living as a wing player in the NBA.
 
agreed. go for Aaron Gordon. bust or an all-star. I would rather take that gamble than taking a solid player
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
that just about nails it, id say thats realistically the appeal of drafting him.

As far as his athleticism, im very bullish and have been throughout, When DX first put up their scouting video posters in the draftee's thread were quick to point out his lack of explosion, I predicted he would jump 36" and cited a report from IU's strength and conditioning coach saying he could touch 12' last summer. Sure enough he registers 37" and touches 12'1, in the context of his weight thats legitimate explosion.

He runs very well, id say hes light on his feet, there was a play vs Michigan St where he ran several strides past Adrian Payne (and the rest of the defense) and got an easy layup. Also in the context of his weight and size, his ability to drive the ball could end up being 'freakish' and a matchup nightmare, he only needs one or 2 dribbles to cover a ton of ground from the 3pt line.

Im probably saying this the wrong way but people with genetics like Noah tend to be pretty athletic, im inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, he descends from a Paramount Chief in Liberia known for defending his clan in battle. I know his mom and little sister are both 6'3", i do think he can still grow a bit.

theres plenty of evidence that hes got a monster work ethic, the IU Strength & Conditioning coach said right away he put the upperclassman to shame in the weight-room, and mentioned some favorable comparisons to Cody Zeller.
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I don't see quite the Favors level athleticism, that's a pretty tall order. But watching him dribble the ball and thinking back to how we all wanted Millsap to develop a dribble drive (and then he did, kind of), and watching how Vonleh already has the tools there has me optimistic about it. He also has a slightly taller reach than Sap did, which combined with the ball handling gives him the ability to get his shot off much easier.

Sap is just a few inches short and a tad non-agile to be a 10 time All Star. He's almost at that level and Vonleh has the physical attributes and abilities to close that gap.
 
infection said:
Any chance he can play the 3?
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Yes, actually. Never full time, of course, but the guy would be a death sentence matchup at the 3 in certain spots. He is a Lamar Odom type that can actually hit an open three. Lamar's size at 3/4 was absolute hell on teams on the offensive boards and kickout-to-drive. Vonleh will be better at both.
 
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