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Unless you can agree with the statement "I think speech that the government decides hurts other people should be curbed, regardless of which party is in power", then you *really* shouldn't want regulation.
Well I mean that is what I'm saying.

The government already decides what speech hurts other people in the real world right now and doesn't allow it. Hasn't led to any slippery slope stuff yet.
I think they have done fine with the real world. Maybe they would surprise you and do fine with social media as well. Right now social media censors free speech already themselves. Why do you think that they do a better job than the government would do?



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Well I mean that is what I'm saying.

The government already decides what speech hurts other people in the real world right now and doesn't allow it. Hasn't led to any slippery slope stuff yet.
I think they have done fine with the real world. Maybe they would surprise you and do fine with social media as well. Right now social media censors free speech already themselves. Why do you think that they do a better job than the government would do?



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Go see what happened in England…I posted about it before.
 
Well I mean that is what I'm saying.

The government already decides what speech hurts other people in the real world right now and doesn't allow it. Hasn't led to any slippery slope stuff yet.
Because the "slippery slope" stuff keeps getting stopped in its tracks at the judicial level. Because it's unconstitutional. Because the 1st amendment (which you don't seem to understand, since you keep citing examples that fall outside of it) disallows it.

You should go look at what the GOP believes online harmful speech is. Do you think social media platforms should be banned from allowing people to post helpful resources for the LGBT community? Because saying the government should be able to regulate social media is an open invitation for them to ban precisely that, among many other things you'd strongly disagree with banning. And they have literally tried. Go see the laws that Texas and Florida passed that the courts halted.

Allowing the government to regulate social media is, by extension, allowing the government to decide what constitutes harmful speech. It is NOT what you seem to think it would be (banning speech that you think is harmful).
 
Well I mean that is what I'm saying.

The government already decides what speech hurts other people in the real world right now and doesn't allow it. Hasn't led to any slippery slope stuff yet.
I think they have done fine with the real world. Maybe they would surprise you and do fine with social media as well. Right now social media censors free speech already themselves. Why do you think that they do a better job than the government would do?



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So were you fine when posters here were saying that they hoped Trump got shot in the assassination? Or that they shouldn’t have missed? Is that speech that you want to regulate? Or is that speech okay to use?
 
Add burn books to the list as well. Also add no funding for mental health as a sub-point for controlling guns. Heck if we go the other extreme we're looking at bankrupting social security within a decade as well, so add abolish social services except for the rich. Now we're getting somewhere.

The question is, which extreme is more livable for the majority of Americans. Which does the least harm and potentially the most good, as limited as that might be. We've already seen the mess trickle down economics has made of our social support structure which affects millions of Americans, but the counter point is we have seen a gigantic increase in billionaire wealth in that same time period. Extreme health care costs due to deregulation, but more money in the coffers of the medical industrial complex and big pharma.

In the end, since we are a 2 party system, it's almost always choosing the lesser of 2 evils. I'm just shocked how many see less money for billionaires and more services and support for the poor and middle class as "evil" in the first place. There's a huge cult movement in America, and that's it. It's been building for decades, but it is firmly entrenched now. Worship of the rich at the expense of the masses is the mantra. Trump is their destroying angel, bent on destroying the last vestiges of the systems that make societies strong in the first place, the fact that we willingly give some of our excess to help those less fortunate. But that's all shifted now. So yeah, let's talk about the evil of suggesting limited individual rights a little bit so we get fewer school shootings perhaps. We have limits on rights all over the place, necessary to support a functioning society. No other developed nation collapsed under extreme tyranny when they limited gun access, but they also have barely the tiniest fraction of mass shootings and violent crime we do. We lost sight of the fact that the rights were enshrined for a specific end, and that the rights themselves are not the end envisioned. But they have become holy to the point of sacrifice of anything else that supports a functioning society so we do not violate the sacrosanct "rights" the founders placed into the Constitution.

Remember, they also gave us an amendment process because they knew times would change, clear and present threats to them in they era would fade and change, and new threats would emerge. None of them had an inkling about anything akin to school shootings, but they gave us the amendment process so we could adjust as needed to address the threats of the time. But we are happy to bury our heads in the blanket of rights which in many ways is just no longer sufficient for what our society needs. How easily we lose the lessons of the past.
Excellent post Log.
 
Because the "slippery slope" stuff keeps getting stopped in its tracks at the judicial level. Because it's unconstitutional. Because the 1st amendment (which you don't seem to understand, since you keep citing examples that fall outside of it) disallows it.

You should go look at what the GOP believes online harmful speech is. Do you think social media platforms should be banned from allowing people to post helpful resources for the LGBT community? Because saying the government should be able to regulate social media is an open invitation for them to ban precisely that, among many other things you'd strongly disagree with banning. And they have literally tried. Go see the laws that Texas and Florida passed that the courts halted.

Allowing the government to regulate social media is, by extension, allowing the government to decide what constitutes harmful speech. It is NOT what you seem to think it would be (banning speech that you think is harmful).

Our government in Australia is just proposing legislation to compel social media companies to regulate what is deemed to be "misinformation" and disinformation" wtf so who decides this **** what is and what isn't .. Unbelievable
 
Our government in Australia is just proposing legislation to compel social media companies to regulate what is deemed to be "misinformation" and disinformation" wtf so who decides this **** what is and what isn't .. Unbelievable
That is unbelievable. Sorry to hear that man.
 
Because the "slippery slope" stuff keeps getting stopped in its tracks at the judicial level.

I'm cool with the judicial level stopping social media censoring in it's tracks when the censuring isn't warranted/doesn't make sense.

I mean right here on jazzfanz speech is censored all the time. I'm cool with it. I think we all are. What if the government was censoring the words **** and **** and **** instead of Jason? I wouldn't care.

What if Jason decided that you couldn't criticize trump on jazzfanz? I think that would be dumb and would suck but I would fine in the end. Currently Jason could choose to do that if he wanted to. There is nothing stopping him.

I don't know why trusting Elon musk to decide what is allowed on X is any better or worse than the government deciding what is allowed on X. At least with the government there would be lots of people involved in the decision rather than just 1.

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So were you fine when posters here were saying that they hoped Trump got shot in the assassination? Or that they shouldn’t have missed? Is that speech that you want to regulate? Or is that speech okay to use?
I'm good either way on that. Just like I'm fine with Jason not allowing ****, ****, **** on here. I would be fine if he didn't allow those posters to say they wish the shooter wouldn't have missed.

In fact, I would prefer that.

I have said it before, I go to another sports forum and they censor WAY more than jazz fanz. I like that better.

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I'm cool with the judicial level stopping social media censoring in it's tracks when the censuring isn't warranted/doesn't make sense.

I mean right here on jazzfanz speech is censored all the time. I'm cool with it. I think we all are. What if the government was censoring the words **** and **** and **** instead of Jason? I wouldn't care.

What if Jason decided that you couldn't criticize trump on jazzfanz? I think that would be dumb and would suck but I would fine in the end. Currently Jason could choose to do that if he wanted to. There is nothing stopping him.

I don't know why trusting Elon musk to decide what is allowed on X is any better or worse than the government deciding what is allowed on X. At least with the government there would be lots of people involved in the decision rather than just 1.

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Elon can’t throw someone in prison.
 
Our government in Australia is just proposing legislation to compel social media companies to regulate what is deemed to be "misinformation" and disinformation" wtf so who decides this **** what is and what isn't .. Unbelievable
Who decides it currently and why do you trust their judgement?
Many sites regulate disinformation and misinformation already. The person or persons deciding it currently may be worse at it than the government.

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Fwiw when I talk of government censoring content I'm talking about stuff like Jason does on jazzfanz. I'm not talking about arresting people. I'm talking about deleting dangerous content and blocking out mean spirited attacking stuff. You know, censoring, not arresting.

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Yeah agree, but you think government is going to stop at “blocking out” content? Would it be a nicer place where everyone is just pleasant with each other, sure I would like that but the government will not give that to you.
 
Elon can’t throw someone in prison.
I dont think the government should be able to either. I just think It would be fine if they censored dangerous and malicious content.

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Yeah agree, but you think government is going to stop at “blocking out” content?

Sure I do. Just put it in the legislation or whatever. Have it say right in there that they can't arrest you. Easy peasy.

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Fwiw when I talk of government censoring content I'm talking about stuff like Jason does on jazzfanz. I'm not talking about arresting people. I'm talking about deleting dangerous content and blocking out mean spirited attacking stuff. You know, censoring, not arresting.

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How would you feel about Jason facing civil penalties for failing to delete LGBT-related content?

The government isn't going to limit itself to "Social media platforms shall not allow people to say things that Fish thinks are mean".

I don't know why trusting Elon musk to decide what is allowed on X is any better or worse than the government deciding what is allowed on X. At least with the government there would be lots of people involved in the decision rather than just 1.
Because X is one platform. If I don't like what's disallowed there, I can go elsewhere.

Any government regulation would apply to *all* platforms. Including Jazzfanz.
 
The government isn't going to limit itself to "Social media platforms shall not allow people to say things that Fish thinks are mean".

Of course not silly. The government doesn't know me. I would have no involvement. They would make a department that is in charge of what kind of content can be posted, just like other social media sites do now. When the rules are broken, bans are issued. No one has to go to jail or face penalties. Temperature in society gets cooled down. Awesomeness.

Remember, just a few decades ago no one could post anything on social media. We somehow survived.

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Of course not silly. They would make a department that is in charge of what kind of content can be posted, just like other social media sites. When the rules are broken, bans are issued. No one has to go to jail or face penalties. Temperature in society gets cooled down. Awesomeness.

Remember, just a few decades ago no one could post anything on social media. We somehow survived.

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You're calling for the creation of a government agency that would be in charge of moderating all social interactions online?

And you think this is a good idea?

Also, please finally address the fact that what you're advocating for isn't going to result in the censoring of what you disagree with, it'll be the censoring of what the government disagrees with. The GOP's #1 thinktank has flat out said they'll use social media regulation laws to censor LGBT content, as I linked earlier.
 
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