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Jesus... just say you don't understand the first amendment.
Ok.
Anywho, I think speech that hurts other people should be curbed.

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See I think providing resources to someone is different than calling people stupid fat bitches and lying about an establishment being a den of sex traffickers.

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Then you should understand that arguing for regulation of social media includes arguing for regulation of social media by whoever is in charge at the government level, regardless of how hard left or hard right they lean.

You can't just say "I want regulation of social media, but only for speech that I think is harmful." It's all or nothing, because those who strongly disagree with you aren't just going to sit on their hands when they are the ones in power.
 
Ok.
Anywho, I think speech that hurts other people should be curbed.

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Unless you can agree with the statement "I think speech that the government decides hurts other people should be curbed, regardless of which party is in power", then you *really* shouldn't want regulation.
 
Then you should understand that arguing for regulation of social media includes arguing for regulation of social media by whoever is in charge at the government level, regardless of how hard left or hard right they lean.

You can't just say "I want regulation of social media, but only for speech that I think is harmful." It's all or nothing, because those who strongly disagree with you aren't just going to sit on their hands when they are the ones in power.
Nah. I think just that speech that is harmful should be regulated. I'm not saying I know how that would look, just that I think it would be a good thing.

Just like I can say all kinds of things in an airport but not certain things.

Or I can talk about lots of stuff in a movie theater but I can't yell out fire.

Same with social media. I think we should be able to say lots of stuff. Most stuff. But not all stuff.


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Unless you can agree with the statement "I think speech that the government decides hurts other people should be curbed, regardless of which party is in power", then you *really* shouldn't want regulation.
Well I mean that is what I'm saying.

The government already decides what speech hurts other people in the real world right now and doesn't allow it. Hasn't led to any slippery slope stuff yet.
I think they have done fine with the real world. Maybe they would surprise you and do fine with social media as well. Right now social media censors free speech already themselves. Why do you think that they do a better job than the government would do?



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Well I mean that is what I'm saying.

The government already decides what speech hurts other people in the real world right now and doesn't allow it. Hasn't led to any slippery slope stuff yet.
I think they have done fine with the real world. Maybe they would surprise you and do fine with social media as well. Right now social media censors free speech already themselves. Why do you think that they do a better job than the government would do?



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Go see what happened in England…I posted about it before.
 
Well I mean that is what I'm saying.

The government already decides what speech hurts other people in the real world right now and doesn't allow it. Hasn't led to any slippery slope stuff yet.
Because the "slippery slope" stuff keeps getting stopped in its tracks at the judicial level. Because it's unconstitutional. Because the 1st amendment (which you don't seem to understand, since you keep citing examples that fall outside of it) disallows it.

You should go look at what the GOP believes online harmful speech is. Do you think social media platforms should be banned from allowing people to post helpful resources for the LGBT community? Because saying the government should be able to regulate social media is an open invitation for them to ban precisely that, among many other things you'd strongly disagree with banning. And they have literally tried. Go see the laws that Texas and Florida passed that the courts halted.

Allowing the government to regulate social media is, by extension, allowing the government to decide what constitutes harmful speech. It is NOT what you seem to think it would be (banning speech that you think is harmful).
 
Well I mean that is what I'm saying.

The government already decides what speech hurts other people in the real world right now and doesn't allow it. Hasn't led to any slippery slope stuff yet.
I think they have done fine with the real world. Maybe they would surprise you and do fine with social media as well. Right now social media censors free speech already themselves. Why do you think that they do a better job than the government would do?



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So were you fine when posters here were saying that they hoped Trump got shot in the assassination? Or that they shouldn’t have missed? Is that speech that you want to regulate? Or is that speech okay to use?
 
Add burn books to the list as well. Also add no funding for mental health as a sub-point for controlling guns. Heck if we go the other extreme we're looking at bankrupting social security within a decade as well, so add abolish social services except for the rich. Now we're getting somewhere.

The question is, which extreme is more livable for the majority of Americans. Which does the least harm and potentially the most good, as limited as that might be. We've already seen the mess trickle down economics has made of our social support structure which affects millions of Americans, but the counter point is we have seen a gigantic increase in billionaire wealth in that same time period. Extreme health care costs due to deregulation, but more money in the coffers of the medical industrial complex and big pharma.

In the end, since we are a 2 party system, it's almost always choosing the lesser of 2 evils. I'm just shocked how many see less money for billionaires and more services and support for the poor and middle class as "evil" in the first place. There's a huge cult movement in America, and that's it. It's been building for decades, but it is firmly entrenched now. Worship of the rich at the expense of the masses is the mantra. Trump is their destroying angel, bent on destroying the last vestiges of the systems that make societies strong in the first place, the fact that we willingly give some of our excess to help those less fortunate. But that's all shifted now. So yeah, let's talk about the evil of suggesting limited individual rights a little bit so we get fewer school shootings perhaps. We have limits on rights all over the place, necessary to support a functioning society. No other developed nation collapsed under extreme tyranny when they limited gun access, but they also have barely the tiniest fraction of mass shootings and violent crime we do. We lost sight of the fact that the rights were enshrined for a specific end, and that the rights themselves are not the end envisioned. But they have become holy to the point of sacrifice of anything else that supports a functioning society so we do not violate the sacrosanct "rights" the founders placed into the Constitution.

Remember, they also gave us an amendment process because they knew times would change, clear and present threats to them in they era would fade and change, and new threats would emerge. None of them had an inkling about anything akin to school shootings, but they gave us the amendment process so we could adjust as needed to address the threats of the time. But we are happy to bury our heads in the blanket of rights which in many ways is just no longer sufficient for what our society needs. How easily we lose the lessons of the past.
Excellent post Log.
 
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