Kamala Harris for Pres

[Mongoose]

She is so dumb! How could anyone follow someone this stupid.

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[Bawse Dawg]

 

[PJF]

SURPRISE! Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson Expose NYT's Attempt to Silence Conservatives Ahead of Election

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[Safetydan]

The data doesn’t support your opinion


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And


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If Harris has erased Trump’s lead on economic issues and when given a blind survey, voters overwhelming support Democratic policies, how can you blame the Democratic policy agenda for anything?

I can and I do. Vehemently so.

Progressive policies surveying well when uncoupled from the party allegedly espousing them is a messaging disaster. They cozy up to Republicans and war criminals just because they're anti-trump rather than put up the necessary fight required to get people enthusiastic about their vision for America. People like Dick Cheney should be considered antithetical to that vision, because they are. Just as a microcosm, The only thing Harris voters here are enthusiastic about on this board is enthusiasm for voting against Trump.

The fact that it's close at all on economics when DJT is proposing wild **** like mass tariffs and zero income tax is an indictment on the Harris campaign. I refuse to give flowers out when they end up losing to the worst candidate twice in three elections. If they manage to scrape by, is that a win? I don't think so. It's an embarrassment.

 

[PJF]

Is this you @Red ?

 

[Safetydan]

But this isn’t the reality, you’re reporting on vibes. It’s a perception, fueled by boredom, untreated mental illness, social media, and entitlement.

People aren’t unemployed nor underemployed. Wages for working class people have been increasing more under Biden than they ever did under Trump.

Those most angry at democracy and fueling Trump’s campaign aren’t those who are struggling with housing or economics.

This is pure copium. People's lives are ****** despite the media telling them it's going well. Conditions have progressively gotten worse for decades. I think you need to get off of your current media diet.

If poverty is what’s fueling this anger, then we’d be seeing populists rising in poor countries when in fact, they’re rising in some of the richest. We’d be seeing poor working class people making up the bulk of Trump’s support instead of seeing the majority of his support coming from the highest economic brackets.

Economic insecurity driving reactionary sentiment has been a material reality forever. Poor working-class people do make up a huge chunk of Trump voters. I think that's been pretty obvious. IIRC, the number of working-class people moving to the republican party has been trending upward since Obama. I wonder why that is? You and I can say that they're voting against their interests, which is true. I blame the party that is supposedly on their side for allowing the party that doesn't represent their interests at all to win them over. That's crazy.

 

[Safetydan]

Just like a dad loves his kids but has to discipline them sometimes apparently by sexually assaulting them and not renting to them and accusing them of murder and stuff.
Not sure what the kids in this metaphor did to deserve the punishments that trump doles out but oh well.

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Those tucker quotes are so unhinged lmaooo

 

[PJF]

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[fishonjazz]

This is pure copium. People's lives are ****** despite the media telling them it's going well. Conditions have progressively gotten worse for decades. I think you need to get off of your current media diet.



Economic insecurity driving reactionary sentiment has been a material reality forever. Poor working-class people do make up a huge chunk of Trump voters. I think that's been pretty obvious. IIRC, the number of working-class people moving to the republican party has been trending upward since Obama. I wonder why that is? You and I can say that they're voting against their interests, which is true. I blame the party that is supposedly on their side for allowing the party that doesn't represent their interests at all to win them over. That's crazy.

Man I couldn't disagree more.
I have everything I need and want. I'm happier than ever. Life is easier than ever. Everything is super convenient.
I was at Costco yesterday just walking around looking at stuff while my wife was getting groceries. I couldn't find a single thing that I wanted or needed. I already have too much ****. My house is full of way too much **** that I don't even use, want, or need.

I make way under $100,000 per year. Single income household basically (my wife works about 8 hours a week and makes 15 dollars per hour). Have two brand new cars. Have a kid and some cats and a dog. Life is easy and awesome.

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[MT Steve]

Man I couldn't disagree more.
I have everything I need and want. I'm happier than ever. Life is easier than ever. Everything is super convenient.
I was at Costco yesterday just walking around looking at stuff while my wife was getting groceries. I couldn't find a single that I wanted or needed. I already have too much ****. My house is full of way too much **** that I don't even use, want, or need.

I make way under $100,000 per year. Single income household basically (my wife works about 8 hours a week and makes 15 dollars per hour). Have two brand new cars. Have a kid and some cats and a dog. Life is easy and awesome.

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Tell that to recent graduates who have mountains of debt due to tuition having outpaced inflation by comical levels over the last couple decades. Tell that to young adults who haven't purchased a home yet and hopelessly watch home values continue to skyrocket through the stratosphere, who are going to be facing mortgage payments that will make up a dramatically higher % of their overall income compared to what earlier generations had, which will also cripple their ability to save up for retirement.

I'm glad your life is so cozy and easy, but you're living in a different universe than the generations younger than you.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Tell that to recent graduates who have mountains of debt due to tuition having outpaced inflation by comical levels over the last couple decades. Tell that to young adults who haven't purchased a home yet and hopelessly watch home values continue to skyrocket through the stratosphere, who are going to be facing mortgage payments that will make up a dramatically higher % of their overall income compared to what earlier generations had, which will also cripple their ability to save up for retirement.

I'm glad your life is so cozy and easy, but you're living in a different universe than the generations younger than you.

Well said.

 

[Safetydan]

Man I couldn't disagree more.
I have everything I need and want. I'm happier than ever. Life is easier than ever. Everything is super convenient.
I was at Costco yesterday just walking around looking at stuff while my wife was getting groceries. I couldn't find a single that I wanted or needed. I already have too much ****. My house is full of way too much **** that I don't even use, want, or need.

I make way under $100,000 per year. Single income household basically (my wife works about 8 hours a week and makes 15 dollars per hour). Have two brand new cars. Have a kid and some cats and a dog. Life is easy and awesome.

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I'm happy for you bro. I know people like you who are doing well and I know many who, unfortunately, were not on the boat that left the harbor. They make more than you and either are extremely house-poor or resigned to renting (also very expensive) until things get better. If you weren't in a good position to buy a house from 2010 to 2018 you're kind of screwed.

Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts

Our country has suffered from rising income inequality and chronically slow growth in the living standards of low- and moderate-income Americans. This disappointing living-standards growth—which was in fact caused by rising income inequality—preceded the Great Recession and continues to this...

www.epi.org

I'll also just throw out that I think it's great that you're happy with your situation, The optimism that you have is probably doing wonders for your mental health. I have the same or a similar outlook when it comes to my own personal life. Extrapolating my own privileged existence to the general population doesn't seem to hold water though. I believe people if they say "we're struggling".

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm happy for you bro. I know people like you who are doing well and I know many who, unfortunately, were not on the boat that left the harbor. They make more than you and either are extremely house-poor or resigned to renting (also very expensive) until things get better. If you weren't in a good position to buy a house from 2010 to 2018 you're kind of screwed.

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Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts

Our country has suffered from rising income inequality and chronically slow growth in the living standards of low- and moderate-income Americans. This disappointing living-standards growth—which was in fact caused by rising income inequality—preceded the Great Recession and continues to this...

www.epi.org

I do agree about the housing thing.
I have seen one candidate propose a plan to help with housing. Sadly there isn't much that can be done. Houses are selling as fast as they are built. Rentals are scooped up right when one gets vacated.
Those selling and renting homes aren't going to drop the prices if people will pay what they are paying.


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[Safetydan]

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I thought you were going to use your browser??!? WTF

 

[fishonjazz]

I thought you were going to use your browser??!? WTF

It's just way less convenient and slower than the app.

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[PJF]

 

[Sardines]

It's just way less convenient and slower than the app.

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MTGA

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Journalist and academic Stan Grant has taken shots at “political elites” in the United States, as well as coverage of the US election, in a speech made at a social cohesion conference in western Sydney.

The former host of ABC’s Q+A told attendees that neither Donald Trump or Kamala Harris were the answer to the “existential crisis of America” and then made reference to Robin Hood:

Stan Grant in 2023. Photograph: Dan Himbrechts/AAP
He said coverage of the election had been “abominable” in that “every lie” and “every hatred” has been “amplified.” He said the media has only been interested in the outrage and star power of the campaigns, and less so the people “holding that broken country together”.

he's a complex character for sure but i think in this instance he's absolutely nailed it

 

[PJF]

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[Deleted member 365]

This is pure copium. People's lives are ****** despite the media telling them it's going well. Conditions have progressively gotten worse for decades. I think you need to get off of your current media diet.



Economic insecurity driving reactionary sentiment has been a material reality forever. Poor working-class people do make up a huge chunk of Trump voters. I think that's been pretty obvious. IIRC, the number of working-class people moving to the republican party has been trending upward since Obama. I wonder why that is? You and I can say that they're voting against their interests, which is true. I blame the party that is supposedly on their side for allowing the party that doesn't represent their interests at all to win them over. That's crazy.

I’m going off evidence. This is literally my job, history and political science has been my career for almost twenty years and what you’re regurgitating are 2016 talking pts that have been refuted For years now. Yes yes, blaming globalism, immigrants, poverty, etc for American democracy de-stabilizing and voting for Trump just doesn’t have any evidence to support it. Authoritarian personality disorder and racism do. If you look at the evidence people who vote for Trump are overwhelmingly motivated by race and gender. And those are disproportionately being found among the (bored) non-college educated upper (white) middle class.

Again, you haven’t refuted my central pt:

“If the poverty aka the poor sweet innocent “forgotten man” who’s living better than any prior generation is really so angry with his lot in life, why aren’t we seeing worker revolutions across the world?” Instead, these right wing authoritarian movements are sprouting among the much better off who share cultural and racial grievances for a past that never existed. You see this in Brexit, Le pene’s France, Orban’s Hungary, Justice party in Poland, and Italy. It’s not the ****ing economics, it’s the racism. It’s the culture. It’s the social hierarchy folks who are angry that in the 21st century, their privilege is now being shared amongst those they deem to be lower class than they.

I suggest you get off your current media diet and read something scholarly for a change. You know, involving political scientists instead of social media personalities? Something that like actually includes exit polls?