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Kanter and Burke have got to go

I didn't say he was untouchable. I'm saying let's see what we have and don't trade a guy when his value can probably be better. The Jazz also don't have another point guard as far as I can see, and that's not nothing.

Sure, but I'm way too jaded on this failed rebuild to see the restart come this October. I probably see Trey's value is a bit higher than you do which is why I'd prefer moving on if some can kicking offer is put on the table.

Nice sig, btw.
 
Sure, but I'm way too jaded on this failed rebuild to see the restart come this October. I probably see Trey's value is a bit higher than you do which is why I'd prefer moving on if some can kicking offer is put on the table.

Nice sig, btw.

As I've said before, I like Trey. But if pairing him with #5 gets you into the top-3 somehow? ****ing sayonara.
 
That's not going to happen. I'd look more towards Trey n 23 for Marcus Smart, or something. One of the 5-8 picks will be very good and I want better chances than 25%...
 
That's not going to happen. I'd look more towards Trey n 23 for Marcus Smart, or something. One of the 5-8 picks will be very good and I want better chances than 25%...

You think him plus #23 nets a top-8 pick in this draft? Then you see his current value higher than I do.
 
But how large a jump? I don't see him as ever being top 5 for the position, and for that he's easily replaceable for very reasonable money (about $6mm per).

I don't really want to trade him, I like his grit, but from an asset standpoint I don't see a reason to hang on out of loyalty to draft picks or because I'm a fan of his overall attitude and demeanor.

Maybe replaceable, but who are you going to replace him with at this point? I guess we could draft a point guard with about the same talent level as Burke, but just to swap around pieces for the sake of swapping doesn't really get us anywhere. I think Burke is a smart kid, and a hard worker. Like you said, he is not going to be top 5, but I would like to get an improvement and not move laterally if we are going to get rid of him.

There should be no loyalty when it comes to improving the team though.
 
That's not going to happen. I'd look more towards Trey n 23 for Marcus Smart, or something. One of the 5-8 picks will be very good and I want better chances than 25%...

I don't love Marcus Smart, but if we get to keep our 5th pick and get him, then that would be just awesome. Vonleh and Smart would be an awesome draft. I would trade Kanter for something else too if we did that. That would pretty much restart the rebuild though. But a lineup of Smart, Burks, Hayward, Vonleh and Favors would be pretty awesome in a couple years, assuming Hayward gets his shooting stroke back. We would have a fair amount of shooting from the forward spots.
 
You think him plus #23 nets a top-8 pick in this draft? Then you see his current value higher than I do.

Of course not. Taking a shot in the dark is worth more than a lower tier commodity. Outside that gambling, Trey is definitely worth 8 and 23.
 
Maybe replaceable, but who are you going to replace him with at this point? I guess we could draft a point guard with about the same talent level as Burke, but just to swap around pieces for the sake of swapping doesn't really get us anywhere. I think Burke is a smart kid, and a hard worker. Like you said, he is not going to be top 5, but I would like to get an improvement and not move laterally if we are going to get rid of him.

There should be no loyalty when it comes to improving the team though.

There is always plenty avail in free agency. Mo, Devin... mid-tier guards go for cheap. The Jazz can always pick up a Trey for $2mm on a short contract, & they can always play the trump card that guarantees 10-20 talent starter minutes which guarantees they get a guy at the same price or cheaper than whatever team is offering high bench minutes on at best a 2nd round exit.
 
I think it's just as difficult, if not more difficult, to turn a dumb player into a smart player as it is to turn an un-athletic/un-skilled player into an athletic/skilled player. Fans tend to take the mental side of the game for granted.

You know how low Ginobilis Basketball IQ was in his first years with the spurs ? He was attacking the rim like a crazy wild hog going after some good truffle. Pop transformed him into a special teamplayer with some streetball and Euro Skills. Now he is one of the best players at driving with the ball in his hands.

I do not think that Parker or Manu would be that great without Pop. I would say the same about Leonard. Duncan is the only player, who would be a superstar regardless of team or coach.

We have more then decent talent, bro. We just need a coach who can develop these guys into a team.
 
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