Kanter and Nike Hoop Summit History

[Borat]

Okay 1st off, I'm not even in the draft Kanter camp. I hope Williams falls as I'd rather have him.

2nd off the very thing you are accusing me of being is exactly the opposite of what you are actually doing. You hate him so bad you won't even consider another point of view. Your historical stats on his accomplishment are trash. It's just your version of the stats. You picked a random # that fit your argument. And only looked at 1 of the 2 teams playing. 15 IS A MAGIC # to you. You picked that # because it fits your argument. Well use 30 PTS, and use both teams. 15 points is hardly a big game, and Kanter scored double that amount.

I would say scoring 30 points in this game has a very good track record of success in the NBA. 100% actually. Using your own list only Dirk scored 30 and he is a huge success in the NBA.

Again nothing in your post has any basis in fact. It's all just random stats you are trying to twist into some sort of coherent argument to back your hate. Unfortunately you have failed on an epic scale.

Have I not shown to you that doing well against top HS competition (that's the whole point here isn't it - that's the only game where Kanter player against decent competition) in that game alone doesn't nearly translate to NBA success?

Guys like Peja, AK47, Gasol, Rubio, Dirk, Parker, Lopez, etc have all done well at a senior level in Europe at young age. Skita, Lampe, Milicic, Koufos didn't. I have nothing against Kanter personally. If he played a year in Kentucky and did well, I would be the one telling you we need to draft this kid. But the fact is: he didn't. We don't have much more than that Nike game to go on here. So, again tell me, have I not shown to you that doing well against top HS competition (that's the whole point here isn't it - that's the only game where Kanter player against decent competition) in that game alone doesn't nearly translate to NBA success?

 

[colton]

Have I not shown to you that doing well against top HS competition (that's the whole point here isn't it - that's the only game where Kanter player against decent competition) in that game alone doesn't nearly translate to NBA success?

No, you haven't. Or, one could just as well say that you have shown that doing EXTREMELY well (30+ pts) against top HS competition DOES translate to NBA success.

And for what it's worth, I'm not a Kanter homer. Yes, maybe I would take him at #3, but I agree that it would be a gamble.

 

[Borat]

No, you haven't.

I showed you about 15 guys who had good games against top HS guys, and never made it to NBA. What else do you want?

 

[colton]

I showed you about 15 guys who had good games against top HS guys, and never made it to NBA.

You showed us 1 guy who had an EXTREMELY good game against top HS guys, who currently is dominating the NBA Finals.

What else do you want?

Evidence that your 15 pt cutoff has meaning with regards to someone who scored 30+ pts.

 

[margodydek]

Borat, I don't think all the Kanter supporters are on his bandwagon as a result of the NHS. I think that is definitely something that we all looked at and were wowed by his numbers. BTW, one of the things that gets lost in the shuffle of that game was the fact that the kid only played 22 min. Anyways, back to my point, I would have to say that the reason that most of us like Kanter is that he looks and feels like a guy that is going to translate. This is why I am very much against Valanciunas. Sure he put up good numbers in Europe, but the guy just does not look like he's going to translate very well when he comes over (I could easily be wrong). I think when people see Kanter they see a 6'11" guy who's got a great body, good work ethic (as evidenced by his combine numbers) looks to be an above average to elite rebounder, has a very solid jumpshot out to 20 ft, and has a decent low post game. Combine all that with the fact that he's 19 and it doesn't seem too far fetched to see him going early in the lottery. Do we know he's going to be great? No. But the only result of him not playing last year is the fact that he is now harder to evaluate.

 

[Borat]

You showed us 1 guy who had an EXTREMELY good game against top HS guys, who currently is dominating the NBA Finals.

And 15 other guys who did well, but failed to make NBA completely.

Evidence that your 15 pt cutoff has meaning with regards to someone who scored 30+ pts.

It has meaning when it comes to the game itself. I showed doing well in the game against top HS guys is meaningless when it comes to NBA success. Look at the stats yourself if you want, pick the guys who you think had good games by your own definition against top HS talent, and you will see that nearly all these guys didn't even make NBA. Doing well against top HS guys in that one game does not translate in success in NBA.

 

[colton]

And 15 other guys who did well, but failed to make NBA completely.

If Kanter had scored 15 pts in the game, that would be much more meaningful.

Doing well against top HS guys in that one game does not translate in success in NBA.

No one is arguing that it automatically does. It's just ONE data point which should be analyzed when evaluating him. But what you seem almost to be arguing is that having success in that game somehow proves that Kanter is going to be a bust.

 

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Euro AND U.S. players that scored 20+ in the NHS

Jared Sullinger ('10)
Nilan Macvan ('09)
Donatas Motiejunas ('09)
Avery Bradley ('09)
Xanier Henry ('09)
OJ Mayo ('07)
Nicolas Batum (’07)
Kevin Durant ('06)
Martynas Pocius (‘05)
Lou Williams (’05)
Martell WEbster ('05)
Luda Bogdanovic (’04)
Tony Parker (’00)
Zach Randolph (’00)
Kevin Gaines (’99)
Matthew Neilsen (98)
Larry Hughes (’97)
Vladimir Bogojevic (’96)
Jermaine O’Neal ’96)
Dubrako Zemljic (’95)

 

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Euro AND U.S. players that scored 25+ in the NHS

Harrison Barnes..(’10)
Josh Smith..........(’04)
Al Harrington.......(’98)

 

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Euro AND U.S. players that scored 30+ in the NHS

Kanter.......................(34 pts ’10)
Wayne Ellignton..........(31 pts ’06)
Psycho T Hansbrough..(31 pts ’05)
Casey Jacobsen...........(31 pts ’99)
Nowitzki.....................(33 pts ’98)

 

[BENTLEY]

Recognizable names that scored below 20 in the NHS:

Jerryd Bayless.............(15 pts. ’07)
Jonny Flynn..................(2 pts. ’07)
Nolan Smith..................(4 pts. ’07)
Kevin Love.................(13 pt. ’07)
Monta Ellis.................(13 pts. ’05)
Al Jefferson................(13 pts ’04)
Rudy Gay...................(14 pts ’04)
JR Smith....................(17 pts ’04)
Andrea Bargnani...........(3 pts. ‘04)
Michael Beasley............(8 pts. ’07)
Derrick Rose................(8 pts. ’07)
Omri Casspi...............(14 pts ’07)
John Wall..................(13 pts 09)
DeMarcus Cousins........(4 pts. ’09)
Serge Ibaka................(8 pts. ’08)
Tyreke Evans............(11 pts. 08)
Jrue Holiday.............(13 pts 08)
Kyrie Irving..............(15 pts 10)
Brandon Knight...........(5 pts ’10)
M. Saer Sene............(15 pts. 9 blocks 6 rebounds in ’06)
Mike Dunleavy............(3 pts ’99)
Joe Johnson...............(4 pts ’99)
Kirk Heinrich..............(7 pts ’99)
Luis Scola................(14 pts ’98)

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Kanter.......................(34 pts ’10)
Wayne Ellignton..........(31 pts ’06)
Psycho T Hansbrough..(31 pts ’05)
Casey Jacobsen...........(31 pts ’99)
Nowitzki.....................(33 pts ’98)

I liked Jacobsen. Minnesota, right? I always loved a similar guy, Jeff Sheppard, from UK more. PKM, are you a Sheppard fan like moi?