Kanter the Scapegoat

[LogGrad98]

So how would you have handled it. Just gave your pet players all the minutes with no accountability?

I simply disagree that he is being used on purpose as scapegoat. I think Corbin does not know how to handle those situations so he would rather shy away from them. Benching is easier than coaching. I think outright benching should be reserved for players that are being incorrigible, and without some active discussion and root cause analysis, if you will, does nothing to teach the player anything except a lesson in who is the boss.

 

[addictionary]

Above all of you guys' mostly accurate thoughts, Kanter could play much more minutes with much more consistency in the PT in many of the teams regardless of any of the mistakes he had done for an excuse for Corbin to bench him. He is a valuable asset on the offensive end as a big man. The NBA recognizes it, uses him above Hayward in promoting banners like this one but small minded people pulls him down. Now don't confuse me with a blind homer that supports him. I always talk about his downsides. And I do believe he played horrible against the LAC that day. The stats fooled us. His BB IQ was terrible. He is so single minded. He sees the game too one-dimensional. Anyone who coaches him needs to make him develop that part of his game. And tell me if there is something other than this but the only way to do this is to play him. But he also needs to have a tough mind not to get affected by coach decisions. So this torturing only helps that part of his development.

 

[JoelHodgeJr]

I also agree that its primarily a coaching problem. The two main goals of this season was to grow the core4. Now the core5. By doing that we are putting our selves in position to get a low draft pick. Loosing is not a problem this season. I would rather watch the Jazz win but this is year one of the rebuilding process. Kanter needs to play 30min a game as was promised to all the core when the FO stated they were establishing a youth movement. If Kanter is a bust then so be it, at the very least we need to play him to shop him to other teams. I like Kanter and want him to stay with the team but he is being treated unfairly by our Interm Coach. Why punish him for making mistakes that cost us wins when ultimately we want to lose. I think Kanter will become better than Memo but is losing confidence and even worse desire to play in Utah.

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[reaperbrutus]

I couldn't agree more with this, ever since the year started Corbin has had some problem with kanter. They had a ton of injuries to start, had a starting pg that has no business in the league, and didn't have another pg on the roster. There were guys starting for the first time in their careers. Burkes was playing grossly out of position. And with all of that going on the only focus is how kanter and favors can't play together, and to take it further how kanter must have been the common denominator in the equation for why it doesn't work. I know there are things for him to improve on but name one guy on the team that doesn't, that's why he needs to be out there playing. It is outrageous that every time something happens Corbin throws his hands in the air and pulls kanter out of the game quicker than anyone else.

Then, all the pointless stats about when kanter starts they have few wins vs when favors starts. Well, first of all when favors starts he has kanter coming of the bench and if they win, it's usually because everyone is making shots and kanter plays well of the bench for more then ten minutes. When kanter has started this last stretch his back up has been gobert, a project player. A combo of favors/kanter is tremendously better then a kanter/gobert or even a favors/gobert combo. It's not even close, so to put it all on kanter is foolish. Everyone knows kanter isn't as skilled on the defensive end that favors is, but favors is likewise lacking on the offensive end. Corbin keeps running favors on the block when kanter is in with him even though he is inferior to kanter. That's poor coaching. If kanter misses a rotation of defense he gets pulled, if favors bricks some awkward left hook shoot he stays in the game and they run another play for him to do the same thing. What's the difference in having kanter score on one end and then having the other teams guard blow by our guards and score on kanter who is guarding his guy, vs having gobert airball a shot from three feet away then the other team grabs it and scores on a fast break. The difference in Corbin's mind is kanter needs to play defense for everyone even though he did score on the other end but he didn't stop the basket on defense, and it's ok for gobert to miss that badly and the other team score because gobert might alter some shots.

I thought the goal of this year was to develop our young pieces for the future and if we win great, if we lose its due to youth and maturity. So why are we starting RJ and Marvin? Rj came out and said to the whole world he wants to move on there is nothing in utah for him. Well don't let the door hit you on the *** on your way out rj. With Marvin they found a stretch four, that's all nice and we won some games in the long run it's going to hurt more then help. Marvin has had some real nice games and I like him as well but he isn't your power forward of the future he really isn't a power forward at all he can barely walk. The jazz have gotten away with using Marvin like this because it is a totally different look and the league who knows every single play the jazz ever ran and when was caught of guard. When the jazz play good teams who play a legit pf and center Marvin gets killed, he is over matched guarding the post and rebounding. Marvin only works when he is hitting multiple threes a game but against high level teams(like the caliber that the jazz are hoping to get to) it really doesn't matter because the opposing pf eats him alive everywhere else. Plus, Marvin has a lingering injury, can barely walk, he isn't dirk, or even Ryan Anderson, which I guess is what Corbin pictures. Dirk is a hall of famer, and the funny thing is Ryan Anderson comes of the bench in NO because the stretch four is used for a different look not the whole system. Houston uses it with parsons but they have Howard and harden, but even then there were rumors of them going after millsap and I doubt that was to bring him of the bench. Look around the league mostly everyone goes with two bigs. The jazz have two very young very skilled and very different bigs. USE THEM!! So they might struggle at times together, well coaches need to design an offense to complement them not hinder them. Everyone says there is no spacing when they are in together. Well get one the ball in the post then get everyone else out of the key, the jazz always pack in the paint they need to move guys out if the other team doesn't cover then it's defensive three seconds, or get them passing more in practice so in a couple years when real playoff aspirations happen they will be more ready then they are now. Look at Memphis, gasol and z bo are two of the slowest big men in the league but they have been in the league for years and years gathering experience, and Memphis makes them work because it gives them a huge advantage.

Corbin and his staff has done some real head scratching things this year.
-continuing to play Lucas is asinine he doesn't belong in the league
-not starting the young five just to let them grow together, those other guys are probably gone
-not devising an offense to suit the young guys
-not giving gobert at least ten minutes a night
-not giving kanter some three attempts (word out of practice is he hits them with regularity, look what memo could do)
-limiting Hayward when he shoots twenty times and makes three, he is quick to pull kanter and burks but never Hayward
-if B Rush is a possibility for the future of your team, then while he's out there get him some shots through plays you run for him
-his substitutions are not great teams like the pacers keep at least three to four of their starters on the floor at all times not a total flip flops of bench vs starters
-if burkes is an elite offensive player and Hayward is not then get burkes the ball and allow him to develop a drive and kick game
- kanter is better offensively then favors so quit giving the ball to favors on the block give it to kanter
-favors is highly athletic and can jump out of the gym, run pick and roll for him to dive at the rim and lob it to him like Dwight Howard
- what happened to the big lineup, you have a chance to run favors, kanter, (Marvin/Evans) if defense is the measuring stick this year try it.
- if you have certain players then for hell sake make your offensive and defensive schemes work for them not them work for you
-and please no more John Lucas, he is horrible and I don't know how as a coach you let him screw up at everything and let him sit there and yell at the other players when something happens like he does no wrong, it's sickening

This post got long I apologize but damn, this is a sample of what I see and judging by twitter and sites like this one I am not the only one.



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[Diamond77]

What is doing Marvin Williams so much better than Kanter? Their stats are similar.


Marvin Willams --> MIN 26,5 FG% 43,7 3FG% 37.6 FT% 82,1 REB 5.4 AST 1.2 STL 0.9 TOV 0.9 BLK 0.6 PTS 9.6

Enes Kanter --> MIN 25.3 FG% 49.9 3FG% 0.0 FT% 73 REB 6.1 AST 0.8 STL 0.4 TOV 1.8 BLK 0.6 PTS 11.9


Marvin is a consistent 3 point shooter this year but he has the freedom to shoot whenever he wants. Kanter is not allowed to shoot 3's.

Both have trouble guarding physical and skilled big men.

The moral of the story is....Marvin is untouchable and Kanter is the scapegoat.

 

[fishonjazz]

What is doing Marvin Williams much better than Kanter?

I want kanter to play over 30 minutes per game and marvin to never see the court...... but the answer to your question is obvious.

Marvin spreads the floor much better than kanter.

MAYBE kanter could spread the floor to, but the fact is that right now with the way he is being used, he doesnt

In spite of that i still say start and play kanter between 30 and 48 minutes per game and keep marvin on the bench

 

[berat_36]

I would be totally fine if Kanter gets constantly 25-30 minutes and Marvin 20-25 minutes per game. Enes cant play more than 30 minutes because he is clearly not in shape this year.
To be fair Marvin does a lot of things that doesn't count to the stats or boxscore. Would like to see more of Marvin at the small forward spot instead of Richard Jefferson. Maybe the old and slow Richard Jefferson is the problem who causes Enes defensive problems. Richard is ok at the offensive end but is clearly also a weakness at the defensive end.

Corbin should start with the lineup Burke, Hayward, Marvin, Favors and Kanter and of course Burks as a sixth man with 30 minutes. Last year Marvin started the whole season at the three spot why not this year?

Last year Williams, Foye, Marvin, Millsap and Jefferson started and there were no spacing problems?But suddenly with Enes there are these kind of problems?What a lame excuse and reason to cut down Kanters minutes.

 

[Diamond77]

I want kanter to play over 30 minutes per game and marvin to never see the court...... but the answer to your question is obvious.

Marvin spreads the floor much better than kanter.

I mean statistically speaking.

 

[franklin]

I don't watch the games anymore, but going off that box score of 3 rebounds in 20 minutes... I would play Biedrins over him at this point. Give those minutes to a player who actually cares and isn't a mental sissy.

 

[addictionary]

Fire Franklin!

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[gomretat]

Love the way Kanter is being handled. He gets lazy at times and doesn't show up. Then he has great games. GH said it is the same way in practice - times when he can't be stopped and times when he if completely ineffective. Kanter has to figure out the mental part of the game if he wants a role on any team in this league. He is getting plenty of time to develop. At times he plays like the worst defender we have had on the inside in years. Kanter has to fix this. Rewarding him with more minutes when he is not doing the basics is wrong. There are plenty of rotations I don't understand with Corbin but the handling of Kanter makes sense IMO

 

[Tarkanian]

Kanter should/needs to play 25 minutes of meaningful basketball, that's all! (not scrub-ball with the likes of JL III)
He is good material potential-wise.
Let's see whether he will live up to that, and that this year TyCo!