Keep, Trade, or cut? (Re-sign if you will)

[SoberasHotRod]

Top-10 really means top-5 but I’m speaking conservatively.

If for example you can have two of Flagg, Harper, Ace, VJ, or Tre and they hit, you have just turbocharged the ceiling of outcomes. I also think it’s the only way you could double-dip in this draft and I don’t think the other team would do it since Lauri had a bad year and we overpaid the **** out of him. I think the best value Key can provide a contender is being trade bait, and I think Wolf has a higher ceiling than Flip. Murray’s contract is actually pretty palatable for a deep-rebuilding team, Paul George is definitely overpaid but not actually a terrible player and again is palatable for a rebuilding team (whose best cap plays are being dumping grounds for bad salary on desperate win-now teams).

It's interesting and I get the logic. Feels like we are trading low on Lauri and giving up on Flip and/or Keyonte too early though. It definitely has the potential to look like a horrible trade if any of them improve significantly.

The other reason I would hesitate to do all the things you said is that I do believe that it's good to have some functional vets for development. Specifically players that need to develop playmaking ability need to have someone to play make for. Collins was really important for Collier this year for example. It gets tricky on how to tank honorably and keep functional vets around while not being at risk to give up an important pick to OKC, so I get that it might not all be possible.

Lastly, I'm not super high on the upside of anyone outside of Flagg and Harper in this draft. I don't think that VJ, Tre, or Ace are super likely to be better than Lauri was last year for example. I do think there will be some very good players and potentially all stars outside of the top two, but I think it is very difficult to know who that will be.

 

[slc]

Not sure I would want to bring Paul George into the mix for Jazz
He's near the end of his career on an enormous contract
He's been on four teams now and has not got a ring
He could be a distraction and cancer
Jazz should keep Collins He can do the same things George can for a lot less
He's younger and seems to like it here
Jazz need to keep stockpiling young talent
Teams seem to give up on players too quick and they become very good somewhere else

 

[homeytennis]

The Jazz just had their worst season in team history. I would think every player would be on the trading block. See what kind of value is on the market. If it improves the outlook, pull the trigger.

 

[HermanG]

Top-10 really means top-5 but I’m speaking conservatively.

If for example you can have two of Flagg, Harper, Ace, VJ, or Tre and they hit, you have just turbocharged the ceiling of outcomes. I also think it’s the only way you could double-dip in this draft and I don’t think the other team would do it since Lauri had a bad year and we overpaid the **** out of him. I think the best value Key can provide a contender is being trade bait, and I think Wolf has a higher ceiling than Flip. Murray’s contract is actually pretty palatable for a deep-rebuilding team, Paul George is definitely overpaid but not actually a terrible player and again is palatable for a rebuilding team (whose best cap plays are being dumping grounds for bad salary on desperate win-now teams).

Lastly, if the Jazz are to load up on talent while simultaneously, successfully, organically tanking (bearing in mind they have to have a bottom-4 record to guarantee they keep their pick), having no vets worth a **** and trading out some of your improving rookie scale players is probably just necessary. The alternative is pulling the shenanigans they did this year and I just think that’s beyond the pale.

No I get your logic. Had you said 5th pick I would not have called the trade out though.

But just keep in mind that draft is also a massive gamble. For example literally everyone liked Scoot and he was "#1 on a normal year without generational talent like Wemby".

The "Lauri for Scoot" was a concensus yes except "Hornets wouldnt do it". Also Hornets fans enraged when their FO picked Brandon Miller instead.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

No I get your logic. Had you said 5th pick I would not have called the trade out though.

But just keep in mind that draft is also a massive gamble. For example literally everyone liked Scoot and he was "#1 on a normal year without generational talent like Wemby".

The "Lauri for Scoot" was a concensus yes except "Hornets wouldnt do it". Also Hornets fans enraged when their FO picked Brandon Miller instead.

It might not have been clear, but he specifically mentioned the Philadelphia pick, which would have to be top 6 and the NOP pick which will 80%+ be top 6. Neither team is trading us a top 2 pick, so we are talking about very limited scenarios here.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

FWIW I don't think the Jazz would or should touch the Paul George contract. He would be making $57 Million in 2027-2028 when we are probably wanting to be good by then. Best case scenario he rehabs his value with a great off season, but that defeats the purpose of being bad for the tank.

The Dejounte Murray trade is a lot more palatable as he is definitely out next year and his contract is not nearly as much ($32 Million in 2027-2028). He's also young enough that he is more likely to recoup value.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It might not have been clear, but he specifically mentioned the Philadelphia pick, which would have to be top 6 and the NOP pick which will 80%+ be top 6. Neither team is trading us a top 2 pick, so we are talking about very limited scenarios here.

Thank you for clarifying. I’m trying not to write tomes.

 

[NUMBERICA]

FWIW I don't think the Jazz would or should touch the Paul George contract. He would be making $57 Million in 2027-2028 when we are probably wanting to be good by then. Best case scenario he rehabs his value with a great off season, but that defeats the purpose of being bad for the tank.

The Dejounte Murray trade is a lot more palatable as he is definitely out next year and his contract is not nearly as much ($32 Million in 2027-2028). He's also young enough that he is more likely to recoup value.

The problem with New Orleans is they probably aren’t in a panic about seizing a window (whereas the Sixers should be in panic mode about next season, assuming their pick doesn’t convey this year) and I’m not sure exactly how Lauri fits there assuming Zion is there. Neither one of them are anything but a PF and that creates some real defensive/lineup issues.

I also prefer the NOP idea from our perspective, but it has to work on both ends.

Also, I’m not trying to jinx this, but I’m mostly approaching from a Cooper draft and I think his connectivity, grind, and gravity is going to improve outcomes for any of Ace/VJ/Tre. So yeah, I really want another top-5 pick and those don’t come cheap.