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Kevin Durant has never choked like LeBron James. Durant led the National team to a world championship gold medal, was a huge factor in their taking gold in the Olympics, and has never taken anything other than gold. Lets see how the Heat do against them this year. Don't forget LeBron stacked the decks to win his first championship!

He has more clutch in his jeans than a motorcycle mechanic. I would take Durant right now over anyone in the league!
 
"I'm going to take LeBron James," he said. "I think he's the best player in the league, in the world. I think Kevin Durant is proving that he is going to dominate this league for a long time, as well, but right now I'm taking LeBron James."

"LeBron James is better because he's smarter," he said of the growth in James' game. "He added to his game a post up game, which has made him unguardable, and also made him, even when you double-team him, and we saw this in Game 4, he was able to make all his teammates better by taking the double-team and kicking it out for easy jump shots or 3-point shots.

"Before, my biggest knock on LeBron was he was just playing off his God-gifted talent. He was just the best athlete. But he didn't play with his head to match that. Now he's playing with his talent and with his head, and wow, watch out. This guy is going to set the league on fire for a long time."
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--Magic Johnson

"I do think he can be better than Michael. I thought I would never compare somebody to Michael Jordan. But this guy, LeBron James, he does everything well. Michael did everything well. LeBron James is just bigger, stronger, faster. That's the only difference."
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--Charles Barkley

When asked if Jordan was better than Lebron:

"Psh...Lebron is in a class by himself"
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--Oscar Robertson
 
Magic and Barkley probably always drooled to put someone above Jordan since they got their asses kicked.

And Oscar Robertson always thought he was the GOAT and yet Jordan was talked about above him and he hates him for that.

Theoratically speaking.


Lebron is an awesome player. Who does not enjoy watching him? I just think Durant is closer to being the next thing. This ain't a **** Lebron thread remember?
 
spycam1 said:
A player chokes one time and is therefore never clutch again. Got it.
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It's amazing how quickly people forget how many times LeBron went into an indescribable shell when his season was on the line. I have no idea which time you are referring to. Take your pick. Physically, LeBron is in a league of his own; I grant you this. However, I cannot remember in recent history someone choking so many times in big games. LeBron has two bronze medals; Durant has never gotten anything other than gold. This is indicative of his clutch factor and ability to win. It is true that LeBron and Chris Paul made big plays in the final game, but Durant is only 24, so the coach should call on the older vets.
 
Durant is hands down best shooter in the league! Lebron's not even close! But Lebron is bigger and stronger. I suspect he has more jailhouse tats, too!
 
JJAS said:
It's amazing how quickly people forget how many times LeBron went into an indescribable shell when his season was on the line. I have no idea which time you are referring to. Take your pick. Physically, LeBron is in a league of his own; I grant you this. However, I cannot remember in recent history someone choking so many times in big games. LeBron has two bronze medals; Durant has never gotten anything other than gold. This is indicative of his clutch factor and ability to win. It is true that LeBron and Chris Paul made big plays in the final game, but Durant is only 24, so the coach should call on the older vets.
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Maybe you missed the years when Durant's teams were lucky to beat the Raptors at home?

Lebron's teams have never done as poorly as Durant's, and Durant's teams have never achieved the same level of greatness as Lebron's.
 
spycam1 said:
Maybe you missed the years when Durant's teams were lucky to beat the Raptors at home?

Lebron's teams have never done as poorly as Durant's, and Durant's teams have never achieved the same level of greatness as Lebron's.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I can't think of a single "great" team he played on until he stacked the deck in Miami (last year's and perhaps this year's). These "great" teams you speak of made it to the Eastern conference finals/finals once. Oh and despite LeBron having four other Allstars on his current team (two this year; one starting), the upstart KD is leading his team to the best record in the league despite playing in a much more difficult conference. The argument of team record for a very young player on crap team is hard to quantify. That’s why LeBron left Cleveland of course. Both players have done very well in their first five seasons. Durant had a much more pathetic team when he started, so it’s more complex than having one fantastic player and crap players surrounding him.

LeBron’s teams
35-47
42-40
50-32
50-32
45-37

Olympic Bronze
Fiba world Championships Bronze Medal

Olympic Gold
Olympic Gold


Durant’s teams
20-62 (Last Place)
23-59
50-32
55-27
47-19 (Lock Out = 58-24)

FIBA World Championships Gold Medal (9-0 @ 22; MVP)
Olympic Gold Medal (8-0; highest points average on the team 19.5/game)
 
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JJAS said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. I can't think of a single "great" team he played on until he stacked the deck in Miami (last year's and perhaps this year's). These "great" teams you speak of made it to the Eastern conference finals/finals once. Oh and despite LeBron having four other Allstars on his current team (two this year; one starting), the upstart KD is leading his team to the best record in the league despite playing in a much more difficult conference. The argument of team record for a very young player on crap team is hard to quantify. That’s why LeBron left Cleveland of course. Both players have done very well in their first five seasons. Durant had a much more pathetic team when he started, so it’s more complex than having one fantastic player and crap players surrounding him.

LeBron’s teams
35-47
42-40
50-32
50-32
45-37

Olympic Bronze
Fiba world Championships Bronze Medal

Olympic Gold
Olympic Gold


Durant’s teams
20-62 (Last Place)
23-59
50-32
55-27
47-19 (Lock Out = 58-24)

FIBA World Championships Gold Medal (9-0 @ 22; MVP)
Olympic Gold Medal (8-0; highest points average on the team 19.5/game)
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When did I ever say his Cavs teams were great? They were ****, and that's exactly the point. When Lebron was surrounded with ****, he carried them to the Finals. When Durant was surrounded with ****, they looked like, well, ****. No, I don't think that would be the case now, though.

But this is all a bit beside the point, and I think you would agree. We're comparing the Lebron of now to the Durant of now.

Let me just say I love Durant, and think he's undoubtably the second best player alive, and will go down as one of the best ever even if he never wins a ring. But when comparing him to Lebron, he's only better at one thing: shooting (though, Lebron has actually shot over 40% from 3 the past two seasons). The main argument in favor of Durant is that he's supposedly a better closer--something that I don't necessarily agree with, but even if we want to operate under the condition that this is true, that does not mean he is the better player, because I hope most would at least agree that the difference is not night and day. If you give Durant, say, a 10/10 on the clutch scale, then I think you would at least give Lebron an 8? In my opinion, it's even closer (and am not convinced Durant actually is a better closer). For instance, I'd say Reggie Miller is slightly better than Durant in terms of clutchness, but that doesn't mean I think he's the better player; Durant is far better at most other aspects of the game. Now, Durant is obviously closer to Lebron than Miller is to Durant, but the basics behind the analogy still stand. Lebron is better at EVERYTHING other than shooting, imo, and closing games according to the Durant apologists. That does not equate to him being the better player.
 
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When did I ever say his Cavs teams were great? They were ****, and that's exactly the point. When Lebron was surrounded with ****, he carried them to the Finals. When Durant was surrounded with ****, they looked like, well, ****. No, I don't think that would be the case now, though.

But this is all a bit beside the point, and I think you would agree. We're comparing the Lebron of now to the Durant of now.

Let me just say I love Durant, and think he's undoubtably the second best player alive, and will go down as one of the best ever even if he never wins a ring. But when comparing him to Lebron, he's only better at one thing: shooting (though, Lebron has actually shot over 40% from 3 the past two seasons). The main argument in favor of Durant is that he's supposedly a better closer--something that I don't necessarily agree with, but even if we want to operate under the condition that this is true, that does not mean he is the better player, because I hope most would at least agree that the difference is not night and day. If you give Durant, say, a 10/10 on the clutch scale, then I think you would at least give Lebron an 8? In my opinion, it's even closer (and am not convinced Durant actually is a better closer). For instance, I'd say Reggie Miller is slightly better than Durant in terms of clutchness, but that doesn't mean I think he's the better player; Durant is far better at most other aspects of the game. Now, Durant is obviously closer to Lebron than Miller is to Durant, but the basics behind the analogy still stand. Lebron is better at EVERYTHING other than shooting, imo, and closing games according to the Durant apologists. That does not equate to him being the better player.
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I think people forget how damn good the Thunders roster is. The Cavs were ****ing awful, beyond terrible, and Lebron took them to the finals. People want to crucify him for having 1 bad series against Boston and forget all the amazing stuff he did do.
 
What I was referring to as the better closer for Durant was not about stats, championships, NT successes or anything, it was about personality, the presence difference you feel when any of these two are in the winning attitude burst. You watched Jordan and see his team is behind by let's say 20, you just knew he was gonna say "screw this I'm not buying" and attack viciously. KD sounds more like this concept when compared to Lebron to my ears. And time and only time will show if it is true or complete BS.
 
And I have always hoped for Lebron to grow and evolve somehow into that kind of personality since he stepped into the league, and I thought if he achieved this, he would be the best ever, including Jordan. I still hope, but now that Durant is in it and balling like this, my perception is slided pretty much to him.
 
Durant is a better shooter and is more clutch. But James can D up Durant. Thats what seperates the two. James is all around better. A lot of people dont count defense as much as a factor as they should. We have seen Lebron even D up the likes of Rose. He should be winning defensive player of the year award every year. He is by far the best defender I have ever seen.

The finals last year showed quite a bit. I love Durant too but Lebron treated him like he was little brother. I think Durant will win a championship or two though. He is that good as well. But lebron > Durant
 
No disrespect to guys like Kobe or Jordan.

But look at what of kind of players they had and what Lebron had.

Shaq in his prime, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Nick Van Exel, Robert Horry, Ron Harper, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman and so on.

Who did Lebron have? No other stars! Just role players and aging guys. Sometimes, it's not fair to just look at the rings.

Lebron would have had at least two more rings if he had half the player Kobe and Jordan used to have.

Even if I'm not a Lebron fan, he is the best player to ever play this game. Now, he has Bosh and Wade who are what Kobe and Jordan used to have and he is getting it done. You will never ever see a player as unique as Lebron again.

To go on, I like Lebron much more than Kobe and Jordan. Lebron is much more of a team player, imo.
 
Durant was ice cold against the wrecked Bulls the other night, nailing only 6 of his 19 shot attempts. But he grabbed 16 rebounds and added 6 assists and 2 blocks. I really don't want to think of him as a simple but talented 7 footer spot up shooter. His runners and isolations and drive-in's are amazingly dominant. And he is trying to be mistake-free in defense. Calling him a simple scorer would be unfair of us.

I don't believe he has reached his ceiling as a full player yet. But one thing he should probably cover as soon as possible is increasing his strength.
 
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