G-O-A-T
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Still think the Jazz screwed up by not making any sort of offer (minimum tender is insulting). If for no other reason than to take away all of Matthews verbal ammo against the Jazz for not making an offer.
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Still think the Jazz screwed up by not making any sort of offer (minimum tender is insulting). If for no other reason than to take away all of Matthews verbal ammo against the Jazz for not making an offer.
You do understand that they HAVE to make the tender to have Matthews be restricted right?
I have to admit, this is a solid attempt to save face.
The bottom line is that Wesley Matthews can say whatever the hell he wants to now. It's a done deal. He's getting his money. He knew exactly what he was getting into. He gambled by accepting a contract that large. He assumed that the Jazz would match ANY contract he could find, but he was wrong. Unfortunately for him, the reality is now sinking in that he's not going to be a starter next year. And, based on other offers he may or may not have seen during this whole process, he may realize that he is stuck behind a great player AND largely untradeable.
Maybe it's true that he would have accepted less money to play for the Jazz. The problem with that is that the devil is in the details. He didn't say he would take less. He said he MIGHT have taken less. And, are we really to believe that armed with an agent by his side that a Jazz offer would have stopped them from even looking around the league? There were rumors from the start that Portland was interested. Do you honestly think that there was any offer short of the full MLE that would have led them to not even take Portland's calls? I highly doubt it.
And once they realized that Portland WAS willing to offer full MLE, how much do we really believe he would have taken below that number to play for the Jazz? Half? 75%? Less years? Not a chance in hell. He might (and I stress MIGHT) have been willing to knock off a million a year to guarantee signing with the Jazz. But even that is doubtful. I imagine that they were so convinced that the Jazz were going to match any offer that they could very well have signed the Portland deal anyway.
Just my not-so-humble opinion...
Maybe it's true that he would have accepted less money to play for the Jazz. The problem with that is that the devil is in the details. He didn't say he would take less. He said he MIGHT have taken less. And, are we really to believe that armed with an agent by his side that a Jazz offer would have stopped them from even looking around the league? There were rumors from the start that Portland was interested. Do you honestly think that there was any offer short of the full MLE that would have led them to not even take Portland's calls? I highly doubt it.
And once they realized that Portland WAS willing to offer full MLE, how much do we really believe he would have taken below that number to play for the Jazz? Half? 75%? Less years? Not a chance in hell. He might (and I stress MIGHT) have been willing to knock off a million a year to guarantee signing with the Jazz. But even that is doubtful. I imagine that they were so convinced that the Jazz were going to match any offer that they could very well have signed the Portland deal anyway.
Just my not-so-humble opinion...
G-O-A-T
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Yes. My complaint is that they tendered him $400 K or whatever the minimum tender is... They should have tendered 3 years for $12 million or something like that... made a "fair" offer. Sure, Wes probably wouldn't have signed right then and there, but it would have left him with a meaningful OPTION. Giving him the minimum tender left him with no option and therefore he had no choice but to take the best money.
The Jazz did the same thing with Millsap last year and it pissed me off... signing players to contracts isn't like buying cars, you are dealing with personal relationships between players, organizations, and fans. If you treat a person like a piece of property they will respond back accordingly. Seriously, how could it possibly hurt the team to make a fair, but low-end offer as the tender instead of the bare minimum by league rules? Instead though, they chose to play hardball and got burned without giving themselves ANY chance to play on their prior relationships.
Darkwing Duck
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This thread amuses me. Way to go Write4u. Someone needs to put egg on his face.
And G-O-A-T, please don't add insult to idiocy in complaining about the QO. Please don't mention it ever again.
And G-O-A-T, please don't add insult to idiocy in complaining about the QO. Please don't mention it ever again.
Darkwing Duck
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Nope, I was wrong.
YOU MUST OFFER THE QO, IN MATTHEWS CASE $937,195 TO MAKE HIM A RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. OTHERWISE THE JAZZ RENOUNCE AND CAN'T EVEN SIGN HIM!!!
They can't TENDER anything else. It IS IMPOSSIBLE. They can make offers and such, but can't "tender" anything more than the worth of the QO, which is automatically determined.
I'm calling out to our banned poster Jesus Christ in exasperation.
You do understand that the Qualifying Offer is made so that the team gets the right of first refusal, right? No team is going to give as their QO anything more than required to retain restricted rights.
Darkwing Duck
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OK... I will learn my lesson and never post again when it goes against the grain of the majority opinion
I would be happy for you to post again when you get your facts straight.