KOC is a *****
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The only way any of this even matters is if somehow we could have prevented the Portland offer from ever happening. Maybe you think that could have happened. I would say you're naive if you do.
Once that Portland offer is "out there" whether on paper or just a phone conversation between their FO and his agent, who cares whether we offered the QO, your 3/12, or 4/20 ... or WHATEVER. It simply wouldn't have mattered.
I don't think anything would have kept Portland's offer from becoming part of the equation. And once it did, all these lowball offers would have been rendered moot.
G-O-A-T
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this does nothing to help me see why not giving Matthews an OPTION was in the best interest of the Jazz. Making a fair offer probably wouldn't have helped, but it certainly wouldn't have hurt either... unless he got injured in during his courting process with the rest of the league.
However, I am done complaining about this anymore because of this tidbit of information:
Sort of kills my argument when I proposed a legal impossibility...
Darkwing Duck
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You can see why I got a bit exasperated. Disagreements are fine, but taking a side based in misinformation is just hard to take sometimes.
Of course the official QO is a fixed amount. I figured you were talking about verbal offers anyway. Anyway, it's the same difference either way. Any room for negotiation pretty much ended when Matthews' agent said that he believed they could get max MLE. What could the Jazz even say if they were expecting to be able to pay half that amount? If you want to talk about insulting your player, seems like telling them you think they're worth only half what they think they're worth would be a good one.
Anyway, regardless of the fact that it really couldn't have ended any other way, I'm still sad to lose Wesley. One of my faves from last season and I hate to see him go where he's not needed when I would love to see him play here. But I'm guessing he'll have $34 million things to think about while sitting on that bench.
Anyway, regardless of the fact that it really couldn't have ended any other way, I'm still sad to lose Wesley. One of my faves from last season and I hate to see him go where he's not needed when I would love to see him play here. But I'm guessing he'll have $34 million things to think about while sitting on that bench.
Darkwing Duck
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Restricted Free Agency seems like an owner's want. It does help the players, too, though, but the league always likes having players stay put. That's why the Bird exceptions exist. I believe RFAs are almost strictly relegated to the domain of the time between first and second contracts players sign. It's designed to keep players from bolting to the big money teams after their rookie contracts are up. Portland gets around it somewhat by front loading contracts trying to discourage matching, but the original team always has the final say.
As for the QO, it's basically the same as any other cap hold every free agent/retiree has. It's the minimum the player can make the next season. For RFAs, they can take the offer and become unrestricted the next year, since it would be their second contract.
In the end, it really does make sense for both teams and players, and I'd imagine it wouldn't be eliminated in the next CBA.
On another note, I am kind of bothered because of Wesley Matthew's unique situation here. Because he went undrafted, he wasn't part of the rookie scale. And because he was only offered a 1-year contract by the Jazz, he is now eligible to make more than the #1 draft pick from the draft where he went undrafted. Seems like something is wrong with this scenario. I'm not suggesting I know the solution to the problem, but it just seems wrong that we have teams fighting to pay so much for an unproven player. There's a reason they came up with rookie contracts and also a reason they made them for 3 years before they either get their big payday or get cast off into obscurity.
Wesley Matthews sidestepped this process and was able to land a contract that does not even approach reasonable. There should have been something in place to allow us to retain his services and further test his ability for a couple more years before having to make an all or nothing decision about him being worth that much money.
Not blaming Wesley, just the rules that allow that to happen.
Wesley Matthews sidestepped this process and was able to land a contract that does not even approach reasonable. There should have been something in place to allow us to retain his services and further test his ability for a couple more years before having to make an all or nothing decision about him being worth that much money.
Not blaming Wesley, just the rules that allow that to happen.
Darkwing Duck
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Yeah, I'd blame the Blazers for that, not the system.
2nd round picks have the same advantage. No rookie scale. It had become more advantageous to be the 31st pick rather than the 30th. Rookie scale isn't going anywhere, and signing second round/undrafted players to their second contract for up to the MLE isn't going to change, so the small bit of unfairness for the overall good won't change.
2nd round picks have the same advantage. No rookie scale. It had become more advantageous to be the 31st pick rather than the 30th. Rookie scale isn't going anywhere, and signing second round/undrafted players to their second contract for up to the MLE isn't going to change, so the small bit of unfairness for the overall good won't change.
G-O-A-T
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So it protects the owners from having the players hedge their bets that they can get a better offer the following season? Like, if Fes got a 3 year 4 mill offer, but thought he could get 3 years 10 mill next season, he would be smart to turn down the offer and sign the QO... even though he would only get 900K the following season? Now, of course that would never happen... Fess will be lucky if someone offers him the QO salary for 2 years guaranteed!
This doesn't seem very player friendly. If I thought my value would drastically improve after one more season, I would much rather play my one remaining year out at a reasonably tendered offer, than the current QO. I guess maybe the QO restriction is just part of the package of getting the RFA option...
This doesn't seem very player friendly. If I thought my value would drastically improve after one more season, I would much rather play my one remaining year out at a reasonably tendered offer, than the current QO. I guess maybe the QO restriction is just part of the package of getting the RFA option...
G-O-A-T
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I'm sort of surprised we have never seen a player forgo the draft and sign a one year deal like Matthews did... then go for the big bucks the following season. Just imagine if John Wall pulled this off (and turned out to live up to the hype). He would get to pick the city he played in and make a ton more money after the first year... only downside is the potential money loss if he sucked or got injured... but there is always insurance to mitigate that risk.