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Gay is needed as salary filler if we are going to take on a salary dump (Westbrook). That is worth more than a second.
 
Looking at Lakers media/social media, it's kind of surprising (and kind of not) that many seem to think that Hield is better than Bogey and don't recognize that Beasley is kind of like 95% of Hield.
 
Here's a trade proposal I modified from something I saw on Twitter -- a kind of three-team trade that is like the Lakers' dream trade (from the signals they've been sending); it will allow the Lakers to get as much good talent as possible for the coming season, yet have contracts that come off the books next year to allow them to pursue Kyrie in free agency. I added the swap because I didn't think enough is coming back to the Jazz. It's based on (what I think is) the reality that Bogey and Myles Turner (the Lakers two key targets, likely) are not enough to fetch unprotected firsts by themselves (nor would the $s work out), but that together with some other stuff (such as Beasley), maybe it's enough to get the Lakers to send the farm:

Jazz in: Westbrook, Lakers 2029 unprotected first, Lakers 2028 unprotected swap
Jazz out: Bogey, Beasley, NAW, Gay

Lakers in: Bogey, Myles Turner, Beasley
Lakers out: Westbrook, Nunn, Gabriel, 2027 & 2029 unprotected firsts, 2028 unprotected swap

Pacers out: Turner
Pacers in: NAW, Gay, Nunn, Gabriel, Lakers 2027 unprotected first

Why for the Jazz: Bogey and Beasley in a non-Lakers scenario would be hard to swap for this kind of return. NAW and Gay are not positive contracts; jettisoning them is probably for the best.
Why not for the Jazz: Only if you think there are better returns in a non-Lakers scenario or if the Jazz really think they can develop NAW

Why for the Lakers: Best chance for Lebron & AD this season, given the types of signals the front office has been giving about wanting to chase Kyrie next year
Why not for the Lakers: Poof! -- no more control of their draft capital until 2030

Why for the Pacers: Finally move on from Turner; get half of the rumored Hield-Turner return in a Lakers trade for about half the cost. May find something they like among the four players coming back.
Why not for the Pacers: They may not want any of those players/salaries (though they're under the cap and it doesn't really matter) and will have waive at least 2 because they lack the roster spots
 
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If the Jazz get RW, they can trade him right before June 30th 2023 to the Knicks for Salary dumps and 2 unprotected picks (how ironic). You would take back Randle and Fournier.

Yes Randle is overpaid but if his lifetime contract was 20.million cheaper then it is a bargain (is two unprotected Knocks picks worth that? Yes!). You let him rehab his value and flip Randle.two.years later for another pick.
 
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whatthe said:
If the Jazz get RW, they can trade him right before June 30th 2023 to the Knicks for Salary dumps and 2 unprotected picks (how ironic). You would take back Randle and Fournier.

Yes Randle is overpaid but if his lifetime contract was 20.million cheaper then it is a bargain (is two unprotected Knocks picks worth that? Yes!). You let him rehab his value and flip Randle.two.years later for another pick.
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Westbrook is expiring this next season, so the last he can be traded to another team is the trade deadline.
 
whatthe said:
If the Jazz get RW, they can trade him right before June 30th 2023 to the Knicks for Salary dumps and 2 unprotected picks (how ironic). You would take back Randle and Fournier.

Yes Randle is overpaid but if his lifetime contract was 20.million cheaper then it is a bargain (is two unprotected Knocks picks worth that? Yes!). You let him rehab his value and flip Randle.two.years later for another pick.
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why would they wait for him to be on the Jazz? instead they could move EF+Randle+Rose or Reddish for him without dealing with the Jazz
 
idiot said:
Looking at Lakers media/social media, it's kind of surprising (and kind of not) that many seem to think that Hield is better than Bogey and don't recognize that Beasley is kind of like 95% of Hield.
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Bogey is crazy underrated. If you look at his scoring volume and efficiency it’s bonkers. He’s also a better defender than Hield who would be basically unplayable in the playoffs… and bogeys contract situation is better.
 
jaydhn said:
why would they wait for him to be on the Jazz? instead they could move EF+Randle+Rose or Reddish for him without dealing with the Jazz
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Because the Lakers want shooting and expirings. The Knicks want to dump salary. The Jazz would meet both their needs by holding Westbrook for the year and trading him again to the Knicks.
 
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Because the Lakers want shooting and expirings. The Knicks want to dump salary. The Jazz would meet both their needs by holding Westbrook for the year and trading him again to the Knicks.
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Lakers have been interested in Reddish and I don't think it would require as much draft capital.
 
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