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Lance Armstrong: Dope or Nope?

Jazzman and Marcus, I understand your perspective and wish I could have that indifference. Honestly, I say that without sarcasm. But could the work that Congress does help in the long run, saving lives of children who may have otherwise begun to use said drugs? Just a thought. Otherwise, I actually agree with you.

If my son grows up to be a world-class cyclist and he decides to dope because Lance Armstrong did, then his mother and I probably failed him more when we were raising him than congress would have if they didn't get involved in the first place.

In regards to the other major sports, they shouldn't have to be prodded by congress to implement strict testing and guidelines for all of the possible performance enhancing drugs as well as being alert to all of the PED'S each time a new one comes to light.
 
Again, find me a legitimate case of death because of steroids. Every death mentioned in the article used terms like "may have contributed" "could be the cause". There is nothing definitive. Too add, most of the men mentioned were abusing other, much more toxic substances like cocaine, pain killers and booz. Steroids get a bad rap because they are an easy target.

Lyle Alzado.
 
Lyle Alzado.

Again, you're buying into the media hype. Alzado blamed his brain cancer on HGH (human growth hormone) but not a single Dr. ever confirmed this. HGH made an easy target, it helped Alzado rationalize his predicament and everyone bought into it because steroids make an easy target.
Keep trying.
 
I'm not sure why you've become so argumentative. Perhaps it was because of my first rant. Without going further, let me ask you this. Are you implying that steroids have no negative health ramifications?
 
Lyle Alzado.

In the 70's Alzado injected himself with a type of growth hormone that was extracted from dead bodies - as opposed synthetic hormones which is what is used today. God only knows what these people died of - so the theory is that's how he got sick. Not a fact - just a theory.
 
Clearly Marcus isn't willing to look at steroids possibly causing the deaths. There's no possibility according to him. Steroid user perhaps?
 
I'm not sure why you've become so argumentative. Perhaps it was because of my first rant. Without going further, let me ask you this. Are you implying that steroids have no negative health ramifications?

Not at all. Just not the horrific ramifications that everyone ascribes to them. Look at your earlier comment, "But could the work that Congress does help in the long run, saving lives of children who may have otherwise begun to use said drugs?" You imply that children are dying from the use of steroids. This is simply not the case.

You ask most people and they can't tell you anything about steroids beyond they make your muscles big and they are bad for you. Both of which are incorrect. That said, probably the most extreme negative health ramifications are gynecomastia and premature closure of growth plates stunting growth. There are other issues that can arise from steroid use but it is not directly due to the steroids themselves but rather how a person's body processes them. Everybody is different.

A new study on the effects of testosterone in the male body was recently released and it is very interesting. Something that every male should know about.

Armstrong's comment that you paraphrased is actually quite funny. "Why would I put that in my body? I almost died from cancer." To most people, him saying such a thing lends credence to his denial in that people really believe that steroids can give you cancer when in fact, steroids can be a very important tool in helping people recover from cancer and in helping aids patients fight off the ravages of said virus.

The sad part is that most doctors don't even know much about steroids and how they work in the human body. Most will tell you the exact same thing as the general public, "Steroids are bad for you. Stay away from them".
 
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Clearly Marcus isn't willing to look at steroids possibly causing the deaths. There's no possibility according to him.

Clearly. :rolleyes:

I've done a fair bit of research on the subject. The extent of the public's knowledge appears to be whatever you read in the mainstream media, including yourself.

I never said there was no possibility. I just said that you'll likely not find a single documented case where steroids were the direct cause of death. Every example that has been given here has failed to even come close to providing conclusive information linking steroids to the death of said person.

Steroid user perhaps?

I think every man should consider supplementing their natural testosterone levels, especially as they age. The heath benefits of keeping your test levels elevated are huge including greatly reducing the risk of cardiovascular disease and developing Alzheimer's. There is little to almost no downside in keeping one's test levels elevated. As mentioned above, it is sad that most health practitioners know very little about the subject.
 
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Not at all. Just not the horrific ramifications that everyone ascribes to them. Look at your earlier comment, "But could the work that Congress does help in the long run, saving lives of children who may have otherwise begun to use said drugs?" You imply that children are dying from the use of steroids. This is simply not the case.

You ask most people and they can't tell you anything about steroids beyond they make your muscles big and they are bad for you. Both of which are incorrect. That said, probably the most extreme negative health ramifications are gynecomastia and premature closure of growth plates stunting growth. There are other issues that can arise from steroid use but it is not directly due to the steroids themselves but rather how a person's body processes them. Everybody is different.

A new study on the effects of testosterone in the male body was recently released and it is very interesting. Something that every male should know about.

Armstrong's comment that you paraphrased is actually quite funny. "Why would I put that in my body? I almost died from cancer." To most people, him saying such a thing lends credence to his denial in that people really believe that steroids can give you cancer when in fact, steroids can be a very important tool in helping people recover from cancer and in helping aids patients fight off the ravages of said virus.

The sad part is that most doctors don't even know much about steroids and how they work in the human body. Most will tell you the exact same thing as the general public, "Steroids are bad for you. Stay away from them".

Are you aware of how well your body would or wouldn't process steroids?
 
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