Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

[Jinglin Joe]

And for the record, I really don't know much about the media's use of "terrorism" pre-9/11. I know it was used much less frequently and there wasnt as much controversy over it as there is now. But I'm pretty sure before 9/11 the thing that was most synonymous with terrorism was the OKC bombing, though I may be wrong on that.

Well yeah. It's pretty complicated and ugly. You have to go back quite some time and think about the very first time when the US gover-lskjfsedjaaahahhahhh waitgsdfsdddfs[ [REDACTED]

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah I think we agree on a lot more than we disagree here. Moneyed interests are at the root of why real change has not, and likely will not occur with regard to the seemingly weekly violence that breaks out in this country.

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I remembered now, the terrorist attack that happened a few years back in California. A Muslim couple gunned and bombed a place, and still there were no gun reforms.

So yeah, I'm pretty confident the NRA would stand pat in their ways through any kind of attack. I mean, hell, Sandy Hook happened and they didnt do anything. I don't think it can get anymore ****ed up than that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Well yeah. It's pretty complicated and ugly. You have to go back quite some time and think about the very first time when the US gover-lskjfsedjaaahahhahhh waitgsdfsdddfs[ [REDACTED]

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So you don't know of any misuse in the media in that time period is what you are saying...

 

[Zombie]

I remembered now, the terrorist attack that happened a few years back in California. A Muslim couple gunned and bombed a place, and still there were no gun reforms.

So yeah, I'm pretty confident the NRA would stand pat in their ways through any kind of attack. I mean, hell, Sandy Hook happened and they didnt do anything. I don't think it can get anymore ****ed up than that.

Yeah, San Bernardino. I think the story there was that the couple was radicalized online, although they had no direct contact with any terrorist orgs (like the Orlando attack). I'm not sure how much I buy that, but there it is.

It's hard not to have a defeatist attitude after Sandy Hook, I mean, if a bunch of dead elementary kids didn't change things it's hard to imagine what could.
On the other hand, the only way to ensure nothing will really change is to give up the fight.



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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah, San Bernardino. I think the story there was that the couple was radicalized online, although they had no direct contact with any terrorist orgs (like the Orlando attack). I'm not sure how much I buy that, but there it is.

It's hard not to have a defeatist attitude after Sandy Hook, I mean, if a bunch of dead elementary kids didn't change things it's hard to imagine what could.
On the other hand, the only way to ensure nothing will really change is to give up the fight.



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I'm just saying I don't think any event is going to change it. People will have to vote in new representation that isn't corrupted and paid off by the NRA.

 

[Zombie]

Curious as to what you think should happen?
Btw, this is the second church shooting to happen in 3 months.

I'm still working through my own personal views on this issue. A nationwide gun buyback program, eliminating gun shows, expanding mental health services (not gutting medicaid), requiring liability insurance for firearms similar to cars, ****ing consitutional amendment repealing the 2nd amendment since we can't agree on wtf it actually means, are all things I've given consideration to.



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[DutchJazzer]

No, that is completely incorrect.

If that was the case, any murder can be considered terrorism.

maybe we should just called those people who use Islamism(the political system) just Islamist instead of terrorist

 

[DutchJazzer]

Why the **** does it matter whether it is "terrorism" or not? The people who were killed aren't any more or less dead either way.

The only difference I can see is when a "terrorist" attack occurs our government enacts policies to try to counteract it, and when it is not we throw our arms in the air and claim nothing can be done.

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wether it is terorsim or not people wnat the government to enact policies.

dont we have thriller calling for hitler style gun control?

 

[moevillini]

also, what was your previous username

what was yours?

 

[candrew]

Looks like an armed citizen stopped this guy, if not killed him, and yet this puke still managed to kill 27 people and wound two dozen more.

So can the morons on the left finally concede the need to protect the second amendment and the morons on the right concede we are in desperate need of common sense legislation to outlaw assault weapons, 30-60 round mags and any other type of weapon or accessory that isn't needed for basic self-protection?

 

[moevillini]

I hear what you're saying here and I agree with you in the sense that the profile of a religious or political terrorist would be different than a mass shooter.

But we're not the ****ing FBI, we are not going to be tracking these **** heads down. It seems to me that drawing this kind of distinction in public discourse only serves to minimize what we can do in one instance and heighten the need to do something in the other. It drives me ****ing nuts.

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I pretty much agree with what Gandalfe said a few posts earlier that terrorism is an act designed to create a sense of terror even in those not directly affected by the act - and creating that sense of terror is as important as the actual killing that may take place

I disagree. Terrorism is anything where the INTENTION is to cause terror, specifically in people not directly affected by it.

Charles Whitman was not a terrorist, but he did cause terror.

Richard Reid was a terrorist, even though he did not kill anyone.

In a sense, I guess I think you do need to have a sense of the motive in order to label something terrorism

most of the mass shootings that have occurred in the U.S. would NOT be terrorism in my opinion - - some might be due to people with mental health issues but many are just due to people with unresolved anger issues

 

[fishonjazz]

No, that is completely incorrect.

If that was the case, any murder can be considered terrorism.

Scary movies and roller coasters and naked geriatrics are all forms of terrorism.