Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

[BTP]

We should definitely ban drunk driving.

We should also ban speeding.

We should also ban texting and driving since "Texting while driving is 6x more likely to cause an accident than driving drunk."

In Germany general usage of mobile phones while driving is forbidden. It's probably not enforced all that much, but in theory it's not allowed.

 

[Rubashov]

I don't think cars or alcohol were created for the soles purpose of killing however.

I don't see guns and alcohol/cars/knives/etc as apples to apples.

If you use alcohol or a car properly and for its intended purpose then people don't die.

If you use a gun properly and for its intended purpose then something dies.

This.

i mean you don't have to kill people when robbing liquor stores but i always find after you kill one m*********er everything else gets easier...

 

[Boris]

I don't think cars or alcohol were created for the soles purpose of killing however.

I don't see guns and alcohol/cars/knives/etc as apples to apples.

If you use alcohol or a car properly and for its intended purpose then people don't die.

If you use a gun properly and for its intended purpose then something dies.

False analogy. Guns aren't created for the sole purpose of killing. Have ya heard the term deterrent? You know, ta save life's? Or recreation?

Guns ain't no more deadly or created differnt then automobiles silly.

 

[fishonjazz]

False analogy. Guns aren't created for the sole purpose of killing. Have ya heard the term deterrent? You know, ta save life's? Or recreation?

Guns ain't no more deadly or created differnt then automobiles silly.

Could you use a paintball gun for recreation? Why does it need to be lethal if it's for recreation? Are there other means for deterrent that don't kill people?

Wait, this is a boris post I'm responding to? Nevermind.

Also, I never said a gun doesn't have other uses besides killing.... I said that it was created for killing. Guns exist because humans wanted an efficient way to kill things.

Cars exist because humans wanted an efficient way to travel.

Alcohol exists because nature.

 

[Rubashov]

Could you use a paintball gun for recreation? Why does it need to be lethal if it's for recreation? Are there other means for deterrent that don't kill people?

Wait, this is a boris post I'm responding to? Nevermind.

Also, I never said a gun doesn't have other uses besides killing.... I said that it was created for killing. Guns exist because humans wanted an efficient way to kill things.

Cars exist because humans wanted an efficient way to travel.

Alcohol exists because nature.

Knee capping is a deterrent. Pay yo bills!!!

man i'm owed money by people, i should start knee capping them....

wait, wait, I'm just pissed off cause i haven't had a cigarette in 4 days, maybe that's why that dude went nuts and shot a whole bunch of people nicotine withdrawal?

man i need a cigarette! and a 24 year old with a great rack and a filthy sense of humour and a bag of coke.

Man a coffee and a cigarette, I'd almost be happy if i had a coffee and a cigarette.

 

[Boris]

Could you use a paintball gun for recreation? Why does it need to be lethal if it's for recreation? Are there other means for deterrent that don't kill people?

Wait, this is a boris post I'm responding to? Nevermind.

Also, I never said a gun doesn't have other uses besides killing.... I said that it was created for killing. Guns exist because humans wanted an efficient way to kill things.

Cars exist because humans wanted an efficient way to travel.

Alcohol exists because nature.

Okay okay fair enough but if ya gotta go back to the origination ya gotta say that man was evolved to be a environmental hazard an are creation needs to be banned.

You made a great point but so did log in that sometimes we go after the scary things in life stead of tha real problems. When ya git to my age you'll start worryin on the real problems, like cancer.

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't think cars or alcohol were created for the soles purpose of killing however.

I don't see guns and alcohol/cars/knives/etc as apples to apples.

If you use alcohol or a car properly and for its intended purpose then people don't die.

If you use a gun properly and for its intended purpose then something dies.

Does it matter why it was created if it kills a single innocent person? GF said the death penalty should be abolished partly so we do not accidentally kill one single innocent person. Drinking does that. Do does texting while driving. Why do we just kind of accept this? Sure there are laws but how strongly are they enforced?

I am not saying we shouldn't regulate guns in some way, I am just pointing out the dichotomy when it comes to guns. Guns are nothing but bad and should be abolished. And afterward I will go the bar and hope that I don't hit someone on the way home. Seems ludicrous to me to be outraged about one but kind of just ignore the other, simply due to social acceptance.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Does it matter why it was created if it kills a single innocent person? GF said the death penalty should be abolished partly so we do not accidentally kill one single innocent person. Drinking does that. Do does texting while driving. Why do we just kind of accept this? Sure there are laws but how strongly are they enforced?

I am not saying we shouldn't regulate guns in some way, I am just pointing out the dichotomy when it comes to guns. Guns are nothing but bad and should be abolished. And afterward I will go the bar and hope that I don't hit someone on the way home. Seems ludicrous to me to be outraged about one but kind of just ignore the other, simply due to social acceptance.

Driving kills people. That is why we regulate cars so much and have so many laws around them. Everyone has an ID, everyone must register their car, police regulate driving laws, insurance is required, we outlaw and try to enforce dangerous behavior such as drinking and driving or texting and driving. People feel it is their right to be able to own and drive a car. People feel a right to own guns. This analogy you have brought up is a decent example of how we regulate certain rights we have. Guns should follow a similar path in my opinion. You can own them but they need to be registered, you need to pass certain tests to get a license to own one, you need to follow certain safety precautions with them and when we have safety features we should implement them. With cars we require seat belts and air bags. With guns we should require smart guns and things of that nature.

 

[fishonjazz]

Does it matter why it was created if it kills a single innocent person? GF said the death penalty should be abolished partly so we do not accidentally kill one single innocent person. Drinking does that. Do does texting while driving. Why do we just kind of accept this? Sure there are laws but how strongly are they enforced?

I am not saying we shouldn't regulate guns in some way, I am just pointing out the dichotomy when it comes to guns. Guns are nothing but bad and should be abolished. And afterward I will go the bar and hope that I don't hit someone on the way home. Seems ludicrous to me to be outraged about one but kind of just ignore the other, simply due to social acceptance.

You were speaking of social acceptance. I was helping you understand why one might be socially accepted and the other not.

 

[fishonjazz]

Driving kills people. That is why we regulate cars so much and have so many laws around them. Everyone has an ID, everyone must register their car, police regulate driving laws, insurance is required, we outlaw and try to enforce dangerous behavior such as drinking and driving or texting and driving. People feel it is their right to be able to own and drive a car. People feel a right to own guns. This analogy you have brought up is a decent example of how we regulate certain rights we have. Guns should follow a similar path in my opinion. You can own them but they need to be registered, you need to pass certain tests to get a license to own one, you need to follow certain safety precautions with them and when we have safety features we should implement them. With cars we require seat belts and air bags. With guns we should require smart guns and things of that nature.

Maybe we should require people to pay insurance to own guns as well.

 

[Ron Mexico]

You were speaking of social acceptance. I was helping you understand why one might be socially accepted and the other not.

We as a society spend a lot more money, time and concern with cars than Guns. So really guns are more of an after thought. Most people are probably not comfortable around guns because only 22% of the country owns them. They also dont use them every day for hours at a time or more. Gun stats vs car stats would look a lot different if use was the same and ownership was the same. 84% of households own a car, which is oddly a similar amount of people who do not own a gun. The average American spends 17,600 minutes a year driving. I doubt many gun owners spend that much time using their gun in a year. I would guess most shoot it once or twice a year.

So not factoring the amount of time used but just the number of people who own them. 4x more people own cars than guns. So if 88,000 died from cars at that rate then if the same amount of people owned guns as cars according to lograd's numbers guns would equal 134,000+ deaths. So guns are a much more dangerous thing to have around yet we spend very very little on regulation, PSA's, enforcement and so forth on them. Maybe we should do a little more and bring those numbers way down. If we factored the amount people actually use guns vs cars then guns would be a much much more dangerous.

Another good reason we need more gun control, which has been proven to be effective.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Maybe we should require people to pay insurance to own guns as well.

I personally loathe insurance and dont want insurance companies involved in anything. But I do think we should make sure every gun is registered and to own a gun you need to pass certain tests and follow specific rules with them for safety.