Lauri Markkanen, no longer considered untouchable?

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first. I never go there so I never knew it was there. Second never said he was on the block

OK, fine, but why do you hope it's true?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

OK, fine, but why do you hope it's true?

I don’t see us building a championship level team in his time line. If you just want a good team that wins 45-50+ games a year then trading Markkanen would be dumb. I however only care about championships at this stage of my life. Markkanen isn’t that guy that will carry us to those heights. That’s not a slight on Markkanen, but he’s not that level of a star.

It may be a bit of an eccentric feeling, but it’s championship or bust for me and realistically, I just don’t see that happening if we stay on this route. Adding 3-4 more picks and maybe a prospect with potential gives us firepower to get a star and still a fighters chance to get lucky in the draft.

 

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I don’t see us building a championship level team in his time line. If you just want a good team that wins 45-50+ games a year then trading Markkanen would be dumb. I however only care about championships at this stage of my life. Markkanen isn’t that guy that will carry us to those heights. That’s not a slight on Markkanen, but he’s not that level of a star.

It may be a bit of an eccentric feeling, but it’s championship or bust for me and realistically, I just don’t see that happening if we stay on this route. Adding 3-4 more picks and maybe a prospect with potential gives us firepower to get a star and still a fighters chance to get lucky in the draft.

I feel the exact same way. Lauri is really good but he's a number 2 type guy and without a legit number 1 to compliment him then you are going to max out in that 45-50 win range. For me there are 2 teams that make sense trade wise and that is the nets and thunder. Those clipper picks and swaps and the suns picks could be special. I think the odds are though that our best shot at getting a franchise guy comes from our own pick in 25 or 26 and moving Lauri for future assets and unproven young guys increases those odds. I've been a jazz fan for 34 years and for most of those years we had good teams but only a couple that I thought were championship caliber and that was 26 years ago. I never once thought the Dwill/Boozer or Mitchell/Gobert teams actually had a chance to win a title. It is time for us to stay patient and spend these next few years in talent and asset acquisition mode to give us as many opportunities as possible to put together a game changing young core. That is the way I feel about it at least.

 

[Jazzmix]

I double dare you to write ONE message, that's not super formal, old English!

Be grateful he didn't chose to be Kant.

 

[David Hume]

Be grateful he didn't chose to be Kant.

Dread is a sympathetic antipathy and an antipathetic sympathy!

 

[LogGrad98]

I double dare you to write ONE message, that's not super formal, old English!

Methinks thou dost protest excessively my good sir.

 

[HermanG]

I'm starting to reverse the course on the likeliness of Markkanen being traded. While I initially thought it makes little sense, my main argument was that even if he is eventually traded he will be more valuable in the future.

He wont add accolades such as All-star selections this year (even if finnish people go crazy, media wont vote for him). Also last year his value build up was unreal, so the FO could worry that there is a bubble in his value. He also might not get statistically equal year than what he did with the better group last year, and the team record will also likely reflect negatively on his value next offseason if we end up pulling a deep tank (which looks likely atm).

Also I keep hearing the "Jazz dont need to trade him" from the water carrying guys. Using the word "need" imo is sort of like saying "we want to trade him, but we are in no rush". I mean if they actually still thought he was a building block they would say "stop calling". "Other teams reporting Jazz is willing to listen" is also a familiar phrase.


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I think if some of the offers thrown around that are like 3 FRP + 2 nice kids is being put to the table, DA probably pulls the trigger.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

IMO he's as good as gone. Lauri's timeline simply separates too much from the team's, which is something I already pointed out last season. This was set in stone when we decided to tank instead of reinforcing the team and going hard for the playoffs. That was the crossroads.

I doubt Ainge will get equal value back. It will be a "haul", but not a short-term one.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

The first question to be answered is are we building a competitive team or a contending team. The next question is what pieces are missing from being competitive/contending and how likely is it that we can obtain/develop those pieces within Lauri's window.

If we are just trying to be competitive and have a playoff good team, I have to think we have the players/assets to make that happen pretty quickly. If we are trying to be a championship contending team, then we might say we are too far away. Unfortunately if we trade Lauri, we are even further away from contention.

I don't think there is any rush to trade Lauri this year, and so we should have lots of time to evaluate things.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I don't think there is any rush to trade Lauri this year, and so we should have lots of time to evaluate things.

Every week he's not traded decreases his market value slightly. That's just a fact.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

If it brings the right package of young prospects and picks, I think it happens this year. But no team is going to get him at a discount from Ainge.

 

[fishonjazz]

Every week he's not traded decreases his market value slightly. That's just a fact.

Not a fact. If we extend him (re-sign) and he is league mvp next season then he would be more valuable than he is right now.