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Beantown said:
#1 In the Articles of Faith it says that were are not accountable for "Adams transgressions" this also means we have no part in anybody else's shortcomings or sins. In or outside of the church. I have no judgement or ill feelings towards anyone's problems or weakness's. Only that they can overcome them and better themselves.
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Wow. Just wow. I don't even know what to say here. That you followed this up by saying I needed a primary lesson is amazing.

Do yourself a favor bean, look up what that particular article of faith is about and what Christian concept it is a direct response to. To claim it means that you shouldn't discern at all whether or not someone is a fit spiritual leader is so off-the-wall crazy I don't even know how to respond.

#2 Someone who is a Bishop or in leadership I believe are called by revelation. But that does not guarentee the person is worthy or will succeed in that position. Many times its a chance for a person to step up to plate and take on responsibilty. Thus it will help them grow. If a person is called but is not worthy it is a wake up call to repent.
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So if the Thomas Monson died and Buttars was called to be the prophet you'd be ok with this?

#3 I believe there are many more worthy or better candidates for positions I have held.
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We agree.

#4 Do you believe that Christians should question Jesus for calling Judas as an apostle or David to build the temple...or all the other Biblical and BOM prophets and church leaders who have slipped up or failed. I would believe you are smarter than this and it really seems like I am teaching a primary lesson.
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I've already discussed Judas in this thread. I also think there's a particular theme that runs throughout the Bible and the BoM regarding those who attain material and spiritual success and how they fall away from the church and God's plan after that success is attained. The present church has achieved material success and appears to believe that it is immune from the cycle. I'm somewhat disturbed the inerrancy theory you seem to be espousing.
 
Beantown said:
Thanks for supporting the LDS church's school. You are the biggest homer I have seen. Also I am making a tuna sandwich for lunch. Let me know if you would like a slice. Its probably fresher tuna than you are used to.
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For those keeping track at home, Beantown in a single post 1) equated what he's saying with the views of the entire LDS church, implying he speaks for the church and 2) insulted Trout's wife.

Now THAT's missionary work.
 
Beantown said:
Thanks for supporting the LDS church's school. You are the biggest homer I have seen. Also I am making a tuna sandwich for lunch. Let me know if you would like a slice. Its probably fresher tuna than you are used to.
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I am the biggest homer? What does my support of BYU have to do with anything? Way to continue to do disservice to LDS people the world over. Are you related to Buttars by chance?

Also, off topic, I've decided that I HATE the Indians.


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Duck Rodgers said:
I have no idea if that's the way it's supposed to go down, but considering most of the bishops I've ever had in my life choose their friends and next door neighbors nearly every time, it would seem unlikely to me.
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It doesn't surprise me that's the practical reality, but it would personally bother me that the church behaves like a political entity rather than a spiritual one. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, but a "calling" comes from someone with authority who holds the priesthood and acts in their capacity as a priesthood holder. Given that the priesthood, as a concept, gives the holder the authority to act in God's name it seems to logically follow that a "call" from the priesthood is a call from God.
 
Sirkickyass said:
So if the Thomas Monson died and Buttars was called to be the prophet you'd be ok with this?
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Wow Kicky really?.....Again like I said...its like teaching a primary lesson. Learn how the church's leadership is structured. This way you won't look as dumb when you spew this crap.

Also the church sustains ALL of its leaders twice a year. There is ample oppertunites if you dont feel a person is doing a good job or not fit for a specific leadership role.

Kicky, I dont think you are able to seperate being cautious of leaders being called and having something "shake your faith". Faith in the church is not based on leaders. I dont worship Monson or Joseph Smith. I am sorry that you have a misinformed view about this. Now I understand more why you have left it.
 
Raspberry Delight said:
I am the biggest homer? What does my support of BYU have to do with anything? Way to continue to do disservice to LDS people the world over. Are you related to Buttars by chance?

Also, off topic, I've decided that I HATE the Indians.


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Its cool, just more for me. I love my sexy Indian wife and the free money we get from her tribe each month.
 
Beantown said:
Wow Kicky really?.....Again like I said...its like teaching a primary lesson. Learn how the church's leadership is structured. This way you won't look as dumb when you spew this crap.
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There is a functional procedure that has traditionally been used to call a prophet. There is nothing that would prevent Buttars from being called as prophet and then set apart as an Apostle immediately prior to receiving this calling. This is the process presently used to sustain Bishops who have not yet attained the position of High Priest.

And obviously I picked an extreme example, it's meant to shed light on a particular point: is there any single person that could be called to be head of the church that would shake your faith? What if it there was a leadership crisis in the LDS church now like there is in the American branches of the Catholic church? If it turned out that the Prophet was a habitual diddler of young boys that wouldn't make you think twice at all about the institution that saw fit, with help from God, to make him the leader?

Do you really put this level of blinders on? I mean, it's one thing to love your church but love it like an adult, not the way a three year old loves her mommy.
 
sirkickyass said:
And obviously I picked an extreme example, it's meant to shed light on a particular point: is there any single person that could be called to be head of the church that would shake your faith? What if it there was a leadership crisis in the LDS church now like there is in the American branches of the Catholic church? If it turned out that the Prophet was a habitual diddler of young boys that wouldn't make you think twice at all about the institution that saw fit, with help from God, to make him the leader?
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How many times are you going to ask the poor gentleman the same question a different way? What makes you think his answer is going to change? Do you suppose he'll ever be able to answer it in a way that you can actually understand, if you don't already understand his answer (which has been very consistent)?

I am giving you a thumbs down, sirkickyass. :(
 
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