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In all due respect to Dalamon's faith...... but I believe the Muslim faith is one religion that does more harm to the world than good. Which is sad because it it really is a small percentage. But when the country's dominant faith is Muslim that country doesn't add much value to the world besides poverty and violence.

https://www.religionfacts.com/islam/places/top_50.htm
 
Beantown said:
One too many.
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Definitely. But there has always been war. Every civilization, most every group of people, have always warred for whatever reason.

dalamon said:
I always see the number "1%" tossed around. I would have to do a lot more insightful research in that regard. I think there might be other posters on this board who could answer this more accurately than myself. I am of the opinion that its probably <1% though.
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I would completely agree. I'm always amused when people think that the whole of Muslims are violent. If this was true, the sheer size of those that practice this religion would have the world in complete disarray.
 
Stoked said:
I'd agree with that. The problem is that the perception is that % is far more vocal. In my opnion Muslim leaders need to do a much better PR job.
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It goes both ways. There's many Islamic organizations that denounce extremism, suicide bombings, and civilian deaths-- but they are never given as much attention as the extremist factions of islam
 
dalamon said:
It goes both ways. There's many Islamic organizations that denounce extremism, suicide bombings, and civilian deaths-- but they are never given as much attention as the extremist factions of islam
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I know there are. We all do. However the Muslim leaders of the world could do a much better job of voicing that. It also does not help when you have the leaders of Muslim countries calling for the eradication of a people. it creates this perception, fair or not, that the Muslim faith is a violent one.
 
Beantown said:
In all due respect to Dalamon's faith...... but I believe the Muslim faith is one religion that does more harm to the world than good. Which is sad because it it really is a small percentage. But when the country's dominant faith is Muslim that country doesn't add much value to the world besides poverty and violence.

https://www.religionfacts.com/islam/places/top_50.htm
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Christianity has never made mistakes, actively prevented world progress or had violence carried out in its name. Nope.
 
Beantown said:
In all due respect to Dalamon's faith...... but I believe the Muslim faith is one religion that does more harm to the world than good. Which is sad because it it really is a small percentage. But when the country's dominant faith is Muslim that country doesn't add much value to the world besides poverty and violence.

https://www.religionfacts.com/islam/places/top_50.htm
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Try to take a step back, and consider a couple things before thinking an issue as complex as this one.



Superficially, what you said seems to correlate statistically. But then you might think "well, they've probably always been like this".

But then if you do some research, you'll quickly realize that this isn't the case. In fact, it is widely considered that the Renaissance would have been incredibly delayed if it was for the so-called Golden Age of Islam (which permeated the natural sciences, the social sciences-- lots of things).

So if areas dominated by that religion contributed so much-- whilst maintaining a land area relatively hospitable in terms of non-Muslim occupants, then why is the opposite seemingly happening nowadays? If the religion could have been responsible for so much good earlier on-- how is it responsible for so much bad nowadays.



The answer to this all, is: it's complicated. Very, very, complicated. Even I don't know the answer-- but most will attribute lots of this to Western colonialism of the Middle East, coupled with a growing interest in Military conquests ahead of scientific progression, amongst the leaders of Islam. Throw in oil, and a complex network of influences gets spun even more.





So yeah. It's never really that black and white, Bean.
 
Stoked said:
I know there are. We all do. However the Muslim leaders of the world could do a much better job of voicing that. It also does not help when you have the leaders of Muslim countries calling for the eradication of a people. it creates this perception, fair or not, that the Muslim faith is a violent one.
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100% agreed. The announcement of promoting something like civilian violence deserves to drown out those which preach cooperation, because its one of those alarming things that we need to all, conjunctively, tackle head-on. The perception is still unfair IMO, but its quite obvious to understand why it exists.
 
dalamon said:
Try to take a step back, and consider a couple things before thinking an issue as complex as this one.



Superficially, what you said seems to correlate statistically. But then you might think "well, they've probably always been like this".

But then if you do some research, you'll quickly realize that this isn't the case. In fact, it is widely considered that the Renaissance would have been incredibly delayed if it was for the so-called Golden Age of Islam (which permeated the natural sciences, the social sciences-- lots of things).

So if areas dominated by that religion contributed so much-- whilst maintaining a land area relatively hospitable in terms of non-Muslim occupants, then why is the opposite seemingly happening nowadays? If the religion could have been responsible for so much good earlier on-- how is it responsible for so much bad nowadays.



The answer to this all, is: it's complicated. Very, very, complicated. Even I don't know the answer-- but most will attribute lots of this to Western colonialism of the Middle East, coupled with a growing interest in Military conquests ahead of scientific progression, amongst the leaders of Islam. Throw in oil, and a complex network of influences gets spun even more.





So yeah. It's never really that black and white, Bean.
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You are the anti-bean, aren't you, Dal. I hope you take that as the compliment it's meant to be. If all people of all religions were as thoughtful as you this world would be a better place. The opposite is true for bean.

Unfortunately people like bean are far more likely to misunderstand or dismiss a comment like that as meaningless than to do anything about it. Hey bean, wake up and smell the coffee!!!
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You are the anti-bean, aren't you, Dal. I hope you take that as the compliment it's meant to be. If all people of all religions were as thoughtful as you this world would be a better place. The opposite is true for bean.

Unfortunately people like bean are far more likely to misunderstand or dismiss a comment like that as meaningless than to do anything about it. Hey bean, wake up and smell the coffee!!!
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"Hulk Smash!" is a lot easier than thinking "huh, maybe people have hidden reasons for doing things I don't understand."
 
Qman said:
"Hulk Smash!" is a lot easier than thinking "huh, maybe people have hidden reasons for doing things I don't understand."
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What would the "huh, maybe people have hidden reasons for doing things I don't understand." For terrorism, honor killings, or just shooting a teenage girl for getting educated?

Also name one country on that 50 list that creates more positivity to mankind that it does violence.
 
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