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LDS General Conference - Apr 2015

Jazz Spazz said:
I don't think it will be as simple as that. This is just all my opinion, so keep that in mind.

I think when we die we will essentially be the same people we are now, yet we will be alive as spirits but without a body.
There will still be spirits that are LDS, that are Catholic, that are no religion, etc. Everyone will still have their ideas about what to believe and what to not believe as to what stage you are or what comes next.
There will still be a faith aspect of what to believe and what to not believe there too. It won't be cut and dried immediately many of us imagine it to be.

So basically I'm saying I don't think it will be "in front of me and I can see it".

After the very end of all of this where we are finally "judged" and all that... that is when it will all be "in front of me and I can see it" so to speak.

Does that make sense?
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No, it does not at all, especially coming from the viewpoint of an Atheist. In the following quote, JB gets it or, rather, gets what I am trying to say.

Joe Bagadonuts said:
No it does not make sense. If I don't believe in an afterlife and then I suddenly find myself living one that particular belief is going to change pronto.
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Exactly. I know that when we die, we die. If by some off chance, all of you religious folk are right and there is an afterlife, well, ****, all bets are off. At that point I would start believing in anything. It would be a paradigm shift as they say.

colton said:
You'd presumably believe in an afterlife, then, but I think my previous statement is still valid: "I can totally see responses like this occurring as people there are being taught the gospel: "Yes, apparently I didn't cease to exist when I died, but that doesn't mean that accepting Jesus is the path to salvation. Why should I believe that?"" Why would you convert to Christianity/Mormonism just because you continue to exist? Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't.

And, for what it's worth, the way I see it is that to some extent religions are verifiable. You can live the tenets of the religion and see the impact on your life. In the LDS case, you can read the Book of Mormon & Bible, pray, refrain from smoking/drinking/etc., attend church services, and so forth. That's basically how the LDS missionary program is set up--the missionaries teach people these principles and invite them to live accordingly to see how it impacts their lives. My anecdotal experience has been that of the people who do attempt to verify the religion in this manner, a very large percentage (more than 90%) become believers. Granted that's not 100% like you would have in a true scientific experiment, but it's not to be scoffed at.
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I don't think I said religion is unverifiable. If I did, I misspoke.

moevillini said:
How about a woman? Of any ethnicity.
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Yeah, how about one? I mean, like most organized religions 50% of their constituents have no say in the matters of the church. The Mormon religion is no different.

bigb said:
Theoretically, I'm not opposed to it, but first they'd have to give women the priesthood. I don't see that happening.
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Theoretically? Please explain.
 
By "theoretically", I mean that I think it wouldn't be a problem. But until it happens, it's just a theory that it would work. But like I said, I don't see that happening.
 
bigb said:
By "theoretically", I mean that I think it wouldn't be a problem. But until it happens, it's just a theory that it would work. But like I said, I don't see that happening.
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****, man. I originally read your post as you saying you WOULD be opposed to it. My mistake.
 
This seemed like as good of a place as any to post that Elder Scott died today. That makes three new apostles needing to be called at this next conference. Wow.
 
bigb said:
This seemed like as good of a place as any to post that Elder Scott died today. That makes three new apostles needing to be called at this next conference. Wow.
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Will be very interesting to see if it remains full of white American men or if they continue to select apostles from other continents/races.
 
Stoked said:
Will be very interesting to see if it remains full of white American men or if they continue to select apostles from other continents/races.
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Well, they did call Dieter.
I predict one of the new apostles will either be Japanese or Brazilian.
 
RIP Elder Scott.

This does have the potential to be a very interesting General Conference in a week and a half. I'll be singing in the regional choir from Utah County that's doing the music for priesthood session, so watch for me on TV! :-)
 
I read that it is the first time since 1911 that three vacancies in the twelve will be filled in one meeting.

A guy at work wondered if the church would have time to replace elder scott. I figured most of the preliminary work has already been done when they went through the process for the other two vacancies, so it would not be a big deal stretch to finish the process one more time.

I think I am slightly more interested in watching conference than I am in Jazz training camp. More rookies at conference.
 
mellow said:
I read that it is the first time since 1911 that three vacancies in the twelve will be filled in one meeting.

A guy at work wondered if the church would have time to replace elder scott. I figured most of the preliminary work has already been done when they went through the process for the other two vacancies, so it would not be a big deal stretch to finish the process one more time.

I think I am slightly more interested in watching conference than I am in Jazz training camp. More rookies at conference.
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I'll admit to being a smart alec, but what work? Doesn't God just give them a special feeling in their bosom when they find the right guy?
 
Gameface said:
I'll admit to being a smart alec, but what work? Doesn't God just give them a special feeling in their bosom when they find the right guy?
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Not a practicing mormon(more a member of record) but I think there a tad more to it.
Don't ask me what that is exactly because I got no clue! :)
 
Gameface said:
I'll admit to being a smart alec, but what work? Doesn't God just give them a special feeling in their bosom when they find the right guy?
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I would imagine there is a LOT of praying in the temple. Then they interview the dude and his wife. So yeah, probably plenty of time.
 
Gameface said:
I'll admit to being a smart alec, but what work? Doesn't God just give them a special feeling in their bosom when they find the right guy?
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I hope I'm not walking into a trap....many years ago I made the same assumption you did, I had to choose three men out of about 60, I had only met them each briefly. One of them I identified right off, the other two I struggled to choose for a long time. I had to mentally work through it.

Yes, there is lots of mental work. They have many people to chose from, lots of things to consider. If they were only interested in finding the right person based on their own assement it would still be a chore. But they also have open, frank discussions among the remaining 12 until they have a consensus, then they pray about it, seeking confirmation. If you have ever tried to get consensus among a group of people you know how much work is involved in reaching a consensus, and even more work making sure everyone has "bought in" so to speak rather than simply conceding.
 
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There was a bit about the process in today's DesNews. Quoting Elder Christofferson:

"President Monson, I don't know if this always has been the case, but his practice has been to ask each of his counselors and the members of the Quorum of the Twelve to give him names they would recommend for his consideration, not to discuss with each other but just individually, to give him whatever name or names they feel impressed he ought to look at," he said.

"What process he goes through exactly, I'm not sure. That's, again, something private he pursues. He then brings back, when he's reached his decision and had the inspiration he needs, the name or names to the council that we have of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles to sustain it. That goes forward to general conference."

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...new-apostle-reflects-on-Elder-Scott.html?pg=2
 
mellow said:
I hope I'm not walking into a trap....many years ago I made the same assumption you did, I had to choose three men out of about 60, I had only met them each briefly. One of them I identified right off, the other two I struggled to choose for a long time. I had to mentally work through it.

Yes, there is lots of mental work. They have many people to chose from, lots of things to consider. If they were only interested in finding the right person based on their own assement it would still be a chore. But they also have open, frank discussions among the remaining 12 until they have a consensus, then they pray about it, seeking confirmation. If you have ever tried to get consensus among a group of people you know how much work is involved in reaching a consensus, and even more work making sure everyone has "bought in" so to speak rather than simply conceding.
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Good explanation
 
Once the names have been submitted the remaining 12 and the quorum of the 70 vote on it.

Watch for the smoke emitting from the SL temple to change color. Once it turns a certain color then it means that they've made a decision...
 
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