LDS issued statement on recent court ruling
- Thread starter JGolds
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You understand the role the Constitution and the Bill of Rights plays into all this, right? Majority rule has NEVER been part of the U.S. system. Never.
candrew
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A vote from 5 years ago on a issue that almost every survey has shown people are becoming rapidly tolerant towards.
https://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-poll-gay-marriage-20130610,0,6776707.story
According to the latest survey Californians now favor gay marriage 58-36
JGolds
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“A man who has never gone to school may steal a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
“The Supreme Court has ruled that they cannot have a nativity scene in Washington, D.C. This wasn't for any religious reasons. They couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.”
― Jay Leno
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself."
John Adams
"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
Benjamin Franklin
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth--that God Governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
Benjamin Franklin
"Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature."
Benjamin Franklin
"Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants."
Benjamin Franklin
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
Patrick Henry
"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."
Patrick Henry
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Patrick Henry
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." Thomas Jefferson
I am done.. I just felt a need to post some quotes......
― Theodore Roosevelt
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
“The Supreme Court has ruled that they cannot have a nativity scene in Washington, D.C. This wasn't for any religious reasons. They couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.”
― Jay Leno
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself."
John Adams
"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
Benjamin Franklin
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth--that God Governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
Benjamin Franklin
"Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature."
Benjamin Franklin
"Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants."
Benjamin Franklin
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
Patrick Henry
"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."
Patrick Henry
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Patrick Henry
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." Thomas Jefferson
I am done.. I just felt a need to post some quotes......
scootsy
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trying to decipher the meaning of this quote considering thomas jefferson was a deist.
It took this country from from 1776 to 1863 to abolish slavery. Although African Americans were here after that, it wasn't until the civil rights act of 1964 that we passed law banning discrimination based on sex, color, etc. We raped the natives of their land from the moment we got here. In 1851, congress passed a law giving land to American Natives in Oklahoma, the first reservation, not as a peace offering, but a place to keep existing unwanted persons. They still don't have their land back.
I don't have the faith you do in us doing the right thing. I really wish I could, but I just keep coming to the same conclusion: Historically, we've been real pricks. And the times we haven't been, we've dragged our feet.
Now, as far as a civil union goes, lets do this. Every religion out there can be entitled to their own version of "marriage". Turn that into a religious thing. But the benefits, discounts, and penalties awarded to "married" couples, lets only give to those entered into civil unions.
Julie Greengiant
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They are part of a system of checks and balances in which their job is to rule whether something is unconstitutional or not.
I'd be against that. If you grant those rights to "married" couples as well then I am on board. Even make the civil unions open to non romantic couples. Such as GFs sisters example.
It might be easier if they exist separately, and not mutually exclusive:
You can get married without being in a civil union(NO benefits, discounts, or penalties) (this would allow any religion to include/exclude any couple they feel inappropriate)
Or you could be unmarried but in a civil union(have benefits, discounts, or penalties) (marriage is for chumps anyway)
Or you could be married AND in a civil union(have benefits, discounts, or penalties) (...true love?)
This way, you can do whatever you want in a religion, restricting or granting marriage on your own definition of marriage. Religion at that point would obtain the divorce rights as well. Priests/Pastors/Bishops would all be able to request civil union licenses to be signed upon the marriage, but that side of things would become an easy addition, rather than an all in one.
Yeah. What good could come from that? Besides practically every ruling in the civil rights era, that is.
By the way, you obviously aren't very familiar with The Trail of Tears, are you?