Leftist attacks Conservative on UC Berkeley Campus

[Red]

This is who the left really is. They arent the victims. They are the perpetrators.

This reply is a bit late to this thread, but I'm going to counter your above assertion by noting, that in 2018, there were at least 50 murders in the United States that were committed by right-wing extremists. I do not believe the number of murders committed by "The Left" came close to matching this:

https://www.voanews.com/a/in-2018-a...ing-right-wing-extremist-attacks/4846707.html

"The deadly mosque shootings in New Zealand last week by a gunman who promoted an anti-immigrant manifesto coincide with a surge in the incidents of right-wing extremist killings in the U.S.

Last year, domestic extremists killed at least 50 people in the U.S., up from 37 murders in 2017, according to the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, which tracks such murders. The last five years have produced a higher number of extremist-related murders than any other five-year period since 1970, according to the ADL.

Mark Pitcavage, a senior fellow at the Center on Extremism, said that every one of the perpetrators of last year’s murders had ties to at least one right-wing movement.

The majority of the murders were committed by white supremacists, with a smaller number perpetrated by anti-government extremists and extreme misogynists who identify as "involuntary celibates" or incels, Pitcavage said.

While a few high-profile incidents such as the massacre of 11 Jewish worshippers by white supremacist Robert Bowers at a Pittsburgh synagogue last October have been widely reported, others have received scant attention."

Full report available here:

https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

 

[Stoked]

This reply is a bit late to this thread, but I'm going to counter your above assertion by noting, that in 2018, there were at least 50 murders in the United States that were committed by right-wing extremists. I do not believe the number of murders committed by "The Left" came close to matching this:

https://www.voanews.com/a/in-2018-a...ing-right-wing-extremist-attacks/4846707.html

"The deadly mosque shootings in New Zealand last week by a gunman who promoted an anti-immigrant manifesto coincide with a surge in the incidents of right-wing extremist killings in the U.S.

Last year, domestic extremists killed at least 50 people in the U.S., up from 37 murders in 2017, according to the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, which tracks such murders. The last five years have produced a higher number of extremist-related murders than any other five-year period since 1970, according to the ADL.

Mark Pitcavage, a senior fellow at the Center on Extremism, said that every one of the perpetrators of last year’s murders had ties to at least one right-wing movement.

The majority of the murders were committed by white supremacists, with a smaller number perpetrated by anti-government extremists and extreme misogynists who identify as "involuntary celibates" or incels, Pitcavage said.

While a few high-profile incidents such as the massacre of 11 Jewish worshippers by white supremacist Robert Bowers at a Pittsburgh synagogue last October have been widely reported, others have received scant attention."

Full report available here:

https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

Oh god here we go...

 

[Red]

Oh god here we go...

But where are we going? I did not say "this is 'The Right'", nor would I. Each individual is responsible for their own actions. I did find the assertion that "'the left' are the perpetrators" a tad askew given the actual trends noted in the United States. But, regardless of whatever motivating ideologies may inspire/influence the actions of any individual, the responsibility always lies with the individual and not political ideological abstractions. Political abstractions like "The Left" or "The Right" do not commit violent acts. Individuals commit violent acts.

 

[Stoked]

But where are we going? I did not say "this is 'The Right'", nor would I. Each individual is responsible for their own actions. I did find the assertion that "'the left' are the perpetrators" a tad askew given the actual trends noted in the United States. But, regardless of whatever motivating ideologies may inspire/influence the actions of any individual, the responsibility always lies with the individual and not political ideological abstractions. Political abstractions like "The Left" or "The Right" do not commit violent acts. Individuals commit violent acts.

You quoted Hack in a post critical of the right and guns. You’ve opened Pandora’s box. No one knows where this will go.

 

[Hotdog]

You quoted Hack in a post critical of the right and guns. You’ve opened Pandora’s box. No one knows where this will go.

Haha.

Its so funny. You all have me pegged so wrong.

I dont own a gun. Never have. They dont amuse me at all..

 

[Stoked]

Haha.

Its so funny. You all have me pegged so wrong.

I dont own a gun. Never have. They dont amuse me at all..

I have you pegged as a troll version of devils advocate. Take that how ever you want.

 

[Hotdog]

This reply is a bit late to this thread, but I'm going to counter your above assertion by noting, that in 2018, there were at least 50 murders in the United States that were committed by right-wing extremists. I do not believe the number of murders committed by "The Left" came close to matching this:

https://www.voanews.com/a/in-2018-a...ing-right-wing-extremist-attacks/4846707.html

"The deadly mosque shootings in New Zealand last week by a gunman who promoted an anti-immigrant manifesto coincide with a surge in the incidents of right-wing extremist killings in the U.S.

Last year, domestic extremists killed at least 50 people in the U.S., up from 37 murders in 2017, according to the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, which tracks such murders. The last five years have produced a higher number of extremist-related murders than any other five-year period since 1970, according to the ADL.

Mark Pitcavage, a senior fellow at the Center on Extremism, said that every one of the perpetrators of last year’s murders had ties to at least one right-wing movement.

The majority of the murders were committed by white supremacists, with a smaller number perpetrated by anti-government extremists and extreme misogynists who identify as "involuntary celibates" or incels, Pitcavage said.

While a few high-profile incidents such as the massacre of 11 Jewish worshippers by white supremacist Robert Bowers at a Pittsburgh synagogue last October have been widely reported, others have received scant attention."

Full report available here:

https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

For all we know those could be fake hate crimes or mislabeled perpetrators. . After Jussie Smollett and the Covington Catholic high school incident, I am forced to believe that I cant believe everything that is reported since none of it is fact checked and its all bipartisan. Unfortunately thats the reality we will live in today.

Dont blame me. Blame yourself for supporting and defending hackery bipartisan news coverage. Should have listened when you were warned it would lead to this.

 

[Hotdog]

I have you pegged as a troll version of devils advocate. Take that how ever you want.

Thats kind of accurate really.

Ive thought about this before. I know I would probably be pointing out the things wrong with Trump if say 90% of the country was in favor for him. Something inside me always wants to balance things out. When it comes to sports I find myself rooting for the underdog almost always.

I feel like Trump and the right are the underdogs and the ones being unfairly attacked and are at a disadvantage against the media coverage on the left.

Its not all that, but it probably does play some part in my thinking. I try to be honest with myself as much as possible.

 

[Red]

For all we know those could be fake hate crimes or mislabeled perpetrators.

Or they could be accurately described. But, hey, it's the Post Truth era. You can believe whatever makes you comfortable or whatever supports your core belief on the subject. Each incident can likely be examined more closely, to ascertain the facts, but, again, it's the Post Truth era, so we don't really need to do that; we don't really need verifiable "facts" anymore.

Dont blame me. Blame yourself for supporting and defending hackery bipartisan news coverage

OK, I don't blame you, lol....

 

[Red]

I try to be honest with myself as much as possible.

Me too. I'm always examining my assumptions and biases. Only way to go....

 

[Hotdog]

Or they could be accurately described. But, hey, it's the Post Truth era. You can believe whatever makes you comfortable or whatever supports your core belief on the subject. Each incident can likely be examined more closely, to ascertain the facts, but, again, it's the Post Truth era, so we don't really need to do that; we don't really need verifiable "facts" anymore.



OK, I don't blame you, lol....

Right, there were mountains of "facts" that Trump was a Russian assett. And now.....nothing. Just, woops, we made an error.

The fault of The Post Truth Era isn't to be put squarely on the shoulders of the receivers, viewers, regular people, etc.. People lie, news outlets lie, have biases, and make mistakes. Those are the only facts that we can be sure of. Its not the fault of the people that that is happening and they have noticed. It is natural to be skeptical now. Or at least it should be.

The Post Truth Era should be real evidence that the TV, Newspapers, etc had a profound effect on people's thinking Pre Truth Era. Think about it, less sources of info means more of an inline thinking. Now people have sources of info coming from anyone and everywhere. People's lies are more readily exposed too.

So when Im harping on the "leftists news" its for a reason. Its brainwashing on a mass scale. Its disturbing.

 

[Hotdog]

If the "news" want their credibility back they need to start taking reporting accurately seriously and stop trying to just be first. Stop with the bipartisan news coverage, and own up to every single one of your mistakes.

But that isnt what they are doing. They actually still believe they can pull fast ones on the public. Its works on some people, but not on whole lot of other people. They have that politician delusion where they think they can say one thing and just pretend they never said that later on. Except now people are 10 seconds away from googling and fact checking their dumb asses and see what they really said. Its amazing that they think they can get away with it.