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Lefty thoughts on Paul Ryan?

I quite honestly don't understand the rush for conservative policies. Haven't we gotten drunk and puked out or brains enough?

For decades real income wages have either stagnated and declined while the super rich have seen their wealth multiply 30 fold.

If anything, we need more government (to redistribute wealth, more gov spending to stimulate the economy, and more public works) than less. IMO, the United States of America is on the cross being hammered by the super rich (living both here and abroad) that have bought off the government and wealth distribution. Endorsing conservative policies right now would be the final straw and stabbing us in the side with a spear.

Seriously, what's stopping the US from becoming a 3rd world country where the vast majority of wealth is owned by a tiny minority while everyone else is just scrapping by to try to make ends meet?
The excessive debt, more women working, more Americans worker longer, etc are all signs of the income stagnation that has taken root over the past 30 years with this cry from people like Reagan, Rush, and Bush I, II, that government is the problem. In reality, government is our (only) solution...

Your entire thesis is built on the faulty use of cause and effect relationships. Correct me if I am wrong but the main thrust of your rant is that too few people own too much wealth. AS A RESULT, the rest are experiences various economic injustices which can only be rectified by acts of a third party, in this case government. Seems to be a quantum leap in extrapolation.

The main economic argument between the two political movements regarding the use of the buzz word "middle class" is the idea to attempt to close the gap between people like Warren Buffett and the average idiot. The first question to be answered is should it be attempted in the first place. Secondly, is it possible, and thirdly, what is the best way to go about it?

There is a sound argument to be made that the answer to the first two is no, thereby making the third question irrelevant. Even if you buy the redistribution argument fully, tax Buffett more substantially, how are you going to pass through those receipts to the treasury to the middle class? Hence the idiotic logic behind the fallacy that raising rates to some x number on some x individual will automatically improve the "middle class" struggle. Ain't going to happen unless you suddenly make a whole new group of people available for government entitlements.

The average American doesn't have an income problem, he/she has a "money behavior" problem.
 
The average American doesn't have an income problem, he/she has a "money behavior" problem.

I can agree with this completely. Though, the same problems exists with corporations in this country as well as the government. Furthermore, while all the parties can get in trouble financially, it's the populace that is denied the tools to manage those situations.
 
I can agree with this completely. Though, the same problems exists with corporations in this country as well as the government. Furthermore, while all the parties can get in trouble financially, it's the populace that is denied the tools to manage those situations.

I would be interested in expanding your thoughts on this.

Research shows that people/familes etc that make under 60K are very unhappy. Happiness increases up to about 100k. Above 100K, there is virtually no marginal increase of happiness with each extra dollar accumulated. Also, most people would rather make more than their neighbors on a relative basis than make less than their neighbors even if it meant they were the lowest paid in the neighborhood. For instance most people would rather make 80K if their neighbors made on ave. 60K than make 100K if their neighbors make on ave. 120k. The average person, due how our brains are wired, has a very dysfunctional relationship with money.
 
I'm voting for Becky Rusher. lol

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I am running for president of the US in 2012. My name is Becky Rusher, I am 35 and a US Citizen. Never been out of the country. Lived in several areas up and down the east coast went out to CA for a week, if you do that I don't recommend LA lol. Not the place for a country kid.
Lived in Baton Rouge for a year, and Ohio for a year. I have wide variety of backgrounds I have been exposed to, we moved a lot when I was a kid. I have continued that since Ive been an adult.
I decided to run because I'm tired. I'm tired of putting up with being told everything about my day. I'm tired of being told how I should look, what I should eat, how to protect myself, and now they are trying to tell us how to spend the little money we have.
I found out you are not allowed to have an actual petition for most states until April 2012. So what this petition is for, is for you to sign up to be notified when I can start that petition. All I need is names and email addresses. When the time comes that I can have the real petitions then I will email everyone, and ask for you to sign to put me on the ballot. So please mark to have your email address available to petition author.
I do not have the money to spend, $500 OR MORE PER STATE, to be put on the presidential ballot. So I have to go the way of petitions.
Please visit my website, beckyrusher4president.webs.com, for more information. I also have a Facebook page Becky Rusher 4 President 2012, and Becky Rusher. I'm the one with the funky looking picture lol. Got it from windows media player. Thank you for your time and have a good day.

From her website. https://beckyrusher4president.webs.com/
I will make my first promise here, I promise I will never say one thing and mean another. I promise I will never say something just to make someone care about what I care about. There two promises. If you don’t like me I do not have a problem with that.

This is her facebook page. She has 5 likes. lol

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Becky-Rusher-for-President-2012/103340286368618
Please check out my website and facebook personal page. And settle in for a fun ride.
Mission:
I know i wont win, but I will be able to get my views on subjects out there for everyone to see. I will get heard and ruffle their feathers along the way. I hope to make the politicians remember just why they decided to go into politics in the first place, to be a voice for the people. Because somewhere along the way 99% of them turned into idiots and forgot about the people and are now just out for more personal gain.
Products:
Just Me. I will not sugar coat things. I call people idiots when they are being so. I will not change how I talk or what I look like for some stupid public image. I do not hold back the truth even if it might sting a bit. I will never make a promise I wont be able to keep.

Calling people idiots isn't very nice, Becky.
 
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I would be interested in expanding your thoughts on this.

Leverage.

It's the same across the board. Though when the banks, corporations, etc. get in trouble, they have off balance sheet maneuvers as well as bailouts to fall on. The populace not so lucky.
 
Not one side has made the necessary decisions to allow this country to recover.

I still have no idea what we're supposed to be recovering to. Or what a recovery will look like. I have no idea what jobs the unemployed are supposed to be on the look out for. Where is the growth supposed to come from that is going to put millions of people back to work, and also outpace population growth?

The entire American economy is structurally unsound, and the economic crisis, drastic inequality, and high unemployment are just symptoms of that. I'm especially worried because I can't even make a guess as to what a re-structuring should be. "Green" technology is not even close to the silver bullet some think it is. Are we all supposed to go work in the health care industry?

I don't think all hope is lost-we still have top flight universities, comparatively business friendly policies, and healthy population and immigration rates. But I am seriously at a loss as what the road forward is supposed to be.
 
Most politicians have a standard answer, but I doubt few actually understand the underlying issues. Ryan gives a coherent and concise answer that demonstrates deep understanding.

I don't doubt his understanding of many issues is superior to many of his colleagues, R or D. What I doubt, and kind of what I was getting at, is that he would do anything differently than any other Republican. He certainly didn't show any willingness to break ranks and work with the Dems while they had power, and I don't know what he'll do that will be set him apart from his party now that they're in charge. I'm not a "both sides need to hold hands and work together" type, but if he's just going to articulate the party line eloquently, then I'm uninterested.

He may have more knowledge on some issues, but I don't see him doing anything about it. He can give great interviews, but so what? It's not like many Republicans will follow his lead and actually get serious about governing. I don't see him having much influence on the party platform either. If he demonstrates that he can get his party to come up with something better than "tax cuts good, government bad," then I'll happily stand corrected.
 
Your entire thesis is built on the faulty use of cause and effect relationships. Correct me if I am wrong but the main thrust of your rant is that too few people own too much wealth. AS A RESULT, the rest are experiences various economic injustices which can only be rectified by acts of a third party, in this case government. Seems to be a quantum leap in extrapolation.

The main economic argument between the two political movements regarding the use of the buzz word "middle class" is the idea to attempt to close the gap between people like Warren Buffett and the average idiot. The first question to be answered is should it be attempted in the first place. Secondly, is it possible, and thirdly, what is the best way to go about it?

There is a sound argument to be made that the answer to the first two is no, thereby making the third question irrelevant. Even if you buy the redistribution argument fully, tax Buffett more substantially, how are you going to pass through those receipts to the treasury to the middle class? Hence the idiotic logic behind the fallacy that raising rates to some x number on some x individual will automatically improve the "middle class" struggle. Ain't going to happen unless you suddenly make a whole new group of people available for government entitlements.

The average American doesn't have an income problem, he/she has a "money behavior" problem.

Sigh. I knew someone like you would jump to conclussions and just go with the typical Glenn Beck vomit reaction by calling Americans spoiled or excessive spenders and saying that the middle class is a buzz word. I'll define it better in just a few sentences.I don't meant to ignore the morals of living within your means. But I don't believe in wasting America in teach everyone that lesson.

Actually, my thesis is based on simple economics. The cause and effect is that because of huge changes to our tax structure (and other things as well) inequality has increased greatly. Because much more of the wealth is being possessed by such a small minority, the middle class (which, btw, I'm not pulling out of my ***. For argument's sakes, I'll define it as 40 percent above the median income and 40 percent below. Sound fair?

Yes, Americans do have a spending problem, but that's not the root of the problem. We have several villains that we can blame. Americans living beyond their means, Bankers lending to people they shouldn't have, deregulated markets, and legislation that allowed people who couldn't make payments get loans. These are all factors but not the ultimate reason why I believe we need to adopt more "progressive" policies and redistribute wealth than continue with conservative policies and grow the inequality gap.

When the middle class lacks purchasing power (wealth) they react by working more (just look at how much more Americans have worked over the past few decades, more women in the workplace, smaller families, etc) and live off credit. When this dries up, recession/depressions hit. After this, we can either redistribute wealth to jump-start the economy and expand industries or swallow the painful pill of living with a lower standard of living.

Do you really think it a coincidence that the richest 1 percent of Americans peaked in both 1928 and 2007 at 23 percent? The top 10 percent owned 50 percent of the nations wealth at *gasp* the same years, 1928 and 2007. Is it really just a coincidence that just prior to market collapses that wealth became top heavy?

The redistribution of income from the top heavy rich back the spread across all other classes were brought on by new legislation and WWII. In the 30's, the top 1 percent went from owning 23 percent of the wealth to 16 percent. Then to 11-15 percent in the 40's. To 9-11 percent in the 50's. Then to 8 percent in the 60's.

Is it really just a coincidence that the golden economic age of our country was when wealth was most equally distributed? Is it really any coincidence that the darkest economic years of our country have been when wealth has been concentrated in so few hands?

As far as Americans "spending too much" this is hogwash. From 1947 until 1975 personal consumption stayed near 62 percent of the GNP. Prior to 2007, it had increased slightly to 70 percent. Hardly much to jump at.

True, lets not go overboard and kill the incentive to start your own company and get rich. But without demand for products, unemployment will remain (or increase), salaries stagnate, and companies cannot expand. As Keynes said, "measures for redistribution of incomes in a way likely to raise propensity to consume may prove positively favorable to the growth of capital."

As far as the argument that, "well capitalism by nature concentrates wealth into the hands of few" that's only partially true. Capitalists have had the great help of government to help redistribute wealth FROM the middle class/poor classes to the rich. Funny how redistributing wealth to the rich isn't seen as unconstitutional, unethical, or counterproductive like redistributing wealth from the rich. Why is that? Is it perhaps because he who has the gold makes the rules?
the old argument of "higher taxes on the rich hurts the economy while lower taxes helps" is bull. In the 1940's to the late 60's income tax rates for the top 1 percent of Americans ranged from 94-71 percent.
Using Foxnews's logic, the 40's-60's must have been decades of economic slump and hell.
Today, they're at all time lows. Are we experiencing good times economically?

In order to keep the economy moving and a demand on products and services, the majority of Americans need wealth (not just the top 1%). We will either need to redistribute wealth (by any means necessary. I can only think of government redistribution honestly. But ifyou have others please suggest) or accept the fact that America is on the decline and that we'll have to live with less (and a lower standard of living).
 
Sigh. I knew someone like you would jump to conclussions and just go with the typical Glenn Beck vomit reaction by calling Americans spoiled or excessive spenders and saying that the middle class is a buzz word. I'll define it better in just a few sentences.I don't meant to ignore the morals of living within your means. But I don't believe in wasting America in teach everyone that lesson.

Actually, my thesis is based on simple economics. The cause and effect is that because of huge changes to our tax structure (and other things as well) inequality has increased greatly. Because much more of the wealth is being possessed by such a small minority, the middle class (which, btw, I'm not pulling out of my ***. For argument's sakes, I'll define it as 40 percent above the median income and 40 percent below. Sound fair?

Yes, Americans do have a spending problem, but that's not the root of the problem. We have several villains that we can blame. Americans living beyond their means, Bankers lending to people they shouldn't have, deregulated markets, and legislation that allowed people who couldn't make payments get loans. These are all factors but not the ultimate reason why I believe we need to adopt more "progressive" policies and redistribute wealth than continue with conservative policies and grow the inequality gap.

When the middle class lacks purchasing power (wealth) they react by working more (just look at how much more Americans have worked over the past few decades, more women in the workplace, smaller families, etc) and live off credit. When this dries up, recession/depressions hit. After this, we can either redistribute wealth to jump-start the economy and expand industries or swallow the painful pill of living with a lower standard of living.

Do you really think it a coincidence that the richest 1 percent of Americans peaked in both 1928 and 2007 at 23 percent? The top 10 percent owned 50 percent of the nations wealth at *gasp* the same years, 1928 and 2007. Is it really just a coincidence that just prior to market collapses that wealth became top heavy?

The redistribution of income from the top heavy rich back the spread across all other classes were brought on by new legislation and WWII. In the 30's, the top 1 percent went from owning 23 percent of the wealth to 16 percent. Then to 11-15 percent in the 40's. To 9-11 percent in the 50's. Then to 8 percent in the 60's.

Is it really just a coincidence that the golden economic age of our country was when wealth was most equally distributed? Is it really any coincidence that the darkest economic years of our country have been when wealth has been concentrated in so few hands?

As far as Americans "spending too much" this is hogwash. From 1947 until 1975 personal consumption stayed near 62 percent of the GNP. Prior to 2007, it had increased slightly to 70 percent. Hardly much to jump at.

True, lets not go overboard and kill the incentive to start your own company and get rich. But without demand for products, unemployment will remain (or increase), salaries stagnate, and companies cannot expand. As Keynes said, "measures for redistribution of incomes in a way likely to raise propensity to consume may prove positively favorable to the growth of capital."

As far as the argument that, "well capitalism by nature concentrates wealth into the hands of few" that's only partially true. Capitalists have had the great help of government to help redistribute wealth FROM the middle class/poor classes to the rich. Funny how redistributing wealth to the rich isn't seen as unconstitutional, unethical, or counterproductive like redistributing wealth from the rich. Why is that? Is it perhaps because he who has the gold makes the rules?
the old argument of "higher taxes on the rich hurts the economy while lower taxes helps" is bull. In the 1940's to the late 60's income tax rates for the top 1 percent of Americans ranged from 94-71 percent.
Using Foxnews's logic, the 40's-60's must have been decades of economic slump and hell.
Today, they're at all time lows. Are we experiencing good times economically?

In order to keep the economy moving and a demand on products and services, the majority of Americans need wealth (not just the top 1%). We will either need to redistribute wealth (by any means necessary. I can only think of government redistribution honestly. But ifyou have others please suggest) or accept the fact that America is on the decline and that we'll have to live with less (and a lower standard of living).

I was done reading your response when you admitted you were a Progressive/Socialist. You are one of the reasons our great nation is currently in trouble. You are one of the reasons people were getting loans they had no way of repaying. How about you keep your hands out of my wallet and I will keep my hands out of your wallet?
 
I was done reading your response when you admitted you were a Progressive/Socialist. You are one of the reasons our great nation is currently in trouble. You are one of the reasons people were getting loans they had no way of repaying. How about you keep your hands out of my wallet and I will keep my hands out of your wallet?

lol. When did I admit that?

Even Keynes admitted that the majority of wealth couldn't fall into the hands of the very few.

In your mind, were FDR and Dwight Eisenhower socialists?

I loved your rebuttal. No facts, stats, just let the eyes gloss over and....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IorvWp-FMVQ
 
Sigh. I knew someone like you would jump to conclussions and just go with the typical Glenn Beck vomit reaction by calling Americans spoiled or excessive spenders and saying that the middle class is a buzz word. I'll define it better in just a few sentences.I don't meant to ignore the morals of living within your means. But I don't believe in wasting America in teach everyone that lesson.

Actually, my thesis is based on simple economics. The cause and effect is that because of huge changes to our tax structure (and other things as well) inequality has increased greatly. Because much more of the wealth is being possessed by such a small minority, the middle class (which, btw, I'm not pulling out of my ***. For argument's sakes, I'll define it as 40 percent above the median income and 40 percent below. Sound fair?

Yes, Americans do have a spending problem, but that's not the root of the problem. We have several villains that we can blame. Americans living beyond their means, Bankers lending to people they shouldn't have, deregulated markets, and legislation that allowed people who couldn't make payments get loans. These are all factors but not the ultimate reason why I believe we need to adopt more "progressive" policies and redistribute wealth than continue with conservative policies and grow the inequality gap.

When the middle class lacks purchasing power (wealth) they react by working more (just look at how much more Americans have worked over the past few decades, more women in the workplace, smaller families, etc) and live off credit. When this dries up, recession/depressions hit. After this, we can either redistribute wealth to jump-start the economy and expand industries or swallow the painful pill of living with a lower standard of living.

Do you really think it a coincidence that the richest 1 percent of Americans peaked in both 1928 and 2007 at 23 percent? The top 10 percent owned 50 percent of the nations wealth at *gasp* the same years, 1928 and 2007. Is it really just a coincidence that just prior to market collapses that wealth became top heavy?

The redistribution of income from the top heavy rich back the spread across all other classes were brought on by new legislation and WWII. In the 30's, the top 1 percent went from owning 23 percent of the wealth to 16 percent. Then to 11-15 percent in the 40's. To 9-11 percent in the 50's. Then to 8 percent in the 60's.

Is it really just a coincidence that the golden economic age of our country was when wealth was most equally distributed? Is it really any coincidence that the darkest economic years of our country have been when wealth has been concentrated in so few hands?

As far as Americans "spending too much" this is hogwash. From 1947 until 1975 personal consumption stayed near 62 percent of the GNP. Prior to 2007, it had increased slightly to 70 percent. Hardly much to jump at.

True, lets not go overboard and kill the incentive to start your own company and get rich. But without demand for products, unemployment will remain (or increase), salaries stagnate, and companies cannot expand. As Keynes said, "measures for redistribution of incomes in a way likely to raise propensity to consume may prove positively favorable to the growth of capital."

As far as the argument that, "well capitalism by nature concentrates wealth into the hands of few" that's only partially true. Capitalists have had the great help of government to help redistribute wealth FROM the middle class/poor classes to the rich. Funny how redistributing wealth to the rich isn't seen as unconstitutional, unethical, or counterproductive like redistributing wealth from the rich. Why is that? Is it perhaps because he who has the gold makes the rules?
the old argument of "higher taxes on the rich hurts the economy while lower taxes helps" is bull. In the 1940's to the late 60's income tax rates for the top 1 percent of Americans ranged from 94-71 percent.
Using Foxnews's logic, the 40's-60's must have been decades of economic slump and hell.
Today, they're at all time lows. Are we experiencing good times economically?

In order to keep the economy moving and a demand on products and services, the majority of Americans need wealth (not just the top 1%). We will either need to redistribute wealth (by any means necessary. I can only think of government redistribution honestly. But ifyou have others please suggest) or accept the fact that America is on the decline and that we'll have to live with less (and a lower standard of living).

You will just say you missed the entire point of post. My views are not correlated with the right or Glenn Beck.
 
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